Snake found in broccoli

[Darat]

Just as a FYI the primary definition for leg from the OED:

I. The limb.

1. a. One of the organs of support and locomotion in an animal body; esp. one of the two lower limbs of the human body; in narrower sense, the part of the limb between the knee and foot.
abdominal or false leg, one of the fleshy legs which support the abdomen of some insects and which disappear in the perfect insect. Barbados leg: see BARBADOS. See also BLACK-LEG(S n.

b. esp. with reference to the use of the legs in standing, walking, running, etc.

...snip...

Nowhere in any of the definitions is there a reference to "drumstick".

From an on-line thesaurus:

http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=leg

Main Entry: leg
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: appendage
Synonyms: brace, column, lap, limb, member, part, pile, pole, portion, post, prop, section, segment, shank, stage, stake, stilt, stretch, stump, support, upright
Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright © 2006 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

Again no mention of drumstick.

 

[Rolfe]

Which is why I want Claus to post the details of the dictionary entry or entries he claims allow whatever-the-hell-it-is-he-means about members and drumsticks. This isn't an esoteric request, Claus. You said, "all are allowed by the dictionary". Which dictionary, exactly? Which entries?

I also want to know in what way he thinks any answer to his question might be used to illuminate the matter of whether or not the brille of the snake can be included in the category of "eyelids".

These are straightforward questions, asked (and evaded) many times now.

Rolfe.

 

[kieran]

Just as a FYI the primary definition for leg from the OED: ...
Nowhere in any of the definitions is there a reference to "drumstick".
From an on-line thesaurus:...
Again no mention of drumstick.

Try a reverse lookup on those - "drumstick" leads to "leg" in both dictionary and thesarus.
Admittedly, in the dictionary, its only the lower part of the cooked leg of a fowl - but leg does get a mention.

 

[kieran]

Try a reverse lookup on those - "drumstick" leads to "leg" in both dictionary and thesarus.
Admittedly, in the dictionary, its only the lower part of the cooked leg of a fowl - but leg does get a mention.

Please ignore my last post - I have now read this thread and realise that:

1. I have put my foot in it
2. I don't want to get involved in this cat fight

 

[Rolfe]

Try a reverse lookup on those - "drumstick" leads to "leg" in both dictionary and thesarus.
Admittedly, in the dictionary, its only the lower part of the cooked leg of a fowl - but leg does get a mention.

Yes. It's hierarchical. A "member" is practically any body protuberance, including but not limited to limbs. A "leg" is the whole of an ambulatory limb. A "drumstick" (in this context) is a particular severed part of the leg of a fowl, prepared for eating.

One uses the appropriate term, depending on the context.

Claus's only reply to this, however, has been variants on

I see. A leg is not a leg.

Claus, please name the dictionary (with publication details) you were using to support your assertion "all are allowed by the dictionary", and quote the relevant entry or entires.

Please explain in what way any answer at all to your remarkably badly-expressed question might be used to illuminate the matter of whether the brille of a snake might be included in the category of "eyelids".

And when you've done that, please also explain why you appear to find Wikipedia so compelling in this case as to negate all the more reputable references others posted, when in the past you have been very scathing about Wikipedia and preferred the more reputable sources.

Rolfe.

 

[Rolfe]

Please ignore my last post - I have now read this thread and realise that:

1. I have put my foot in it
2. I don't want to get involved in this cat fight

But did you enjoy the thread?

Sometime a good cat fight can be fun.

Rolfe.

 

[sphenisc]

I also want to know in what way he thinks any answer to his question might be used to illuminate the matter of whether or not the brille of the snake can be included in the category of "eyelids".

For those of you who, like me, weren't sure what a brille was...

All snakes and those lizards without eyelids
possess a permanent immovable transparent membrane
totally covering the exposed anterior portion
of the eye. This structure is the reptilian spectacle
or brille. This structure is thought to have
evolved from either fusion of the eyelids, or
less popularly the nictitating membrane. The
primary purpose of the spectacle is protection.

from

http://www.iovs.org/cgi/content/abstract/15/7/587


Carry on!

 

[MRC_Hans]

I see. A leg is not a leg.

Actually, if we are to nitpick this (and it is aboundantly obvious that we are), a leg can be more than a leg. For instance, we can talk of the leg of a voyage. Likewise, we are talking about somebody "being on his last legs", quite without implying that he ever had more, or ever will have less than, two.

So, all in all, I think that there is some leg-pulling going on here.

Hans

 

[kieran]

But did you enjoy the thread?

Sometime a good cat fight can be fun.

Rolfe.

Shh - I'm trying to close the door quitely as I leave ... tippy-toeing each step of the way ...

(It's a bit of a giggle, but nothing to be gained apart from by the big egos. Move along now, nothing to see here ...)

Doh - I just had to blurt it out.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Anyway, I think this thread had been throughly derailed by, well you kow who you are. May I point out that practically no attention have been given to the real core of the matter: Broccoli.

Does broccoli have legs?

Hans

 

[CFLarsen]

Actually, if we are to nitpick this (and it is aboundantly obvious that we are), a leg can be more than a leg. For instance, we can talk of the leg of a voyage. Likewise, we are talking about somebody "being on his last legs", quite without implying that he ever had more, or ever will have less than, two.

So, all in all, I think that there is some leg-pulling going on here.

Hans

Yet, at the end of the day, a leg is not a leg. Only when it is.

Alice in Wonderland. I see a lot of head-choppin'....

 

[delphi_ote]

Yet, at the end of the day, a leg is not a leg. Only when it is.

Alice in Wonderland. I see a lot of head-choppin'....

At the end of the day, this post is not a post. Only when it is.

Kevin Costner starred in Water World.

 

[Mojo]

Anyway, I think this thread had been throughly derailed by, well you kow who you are. May I point out that practically no attention have been given to the real core of the matter: Broccoli.

Does broccoli have legs?

It's very nice with chicken drumsticks.

 

[TimmyBerry]

Concerning snakes: I do not believe that anyone has mentioned legless lizards yet. They look quite similar to snakes, but do have eyelids.

 

[SteveGrenard]

Rolfe wrote:

"Yes. It's hierarchical. A "member" is practically any body protuberance, including but not limited to limbs. A "leg" is the whole of an ambulatory limb. A "drumstick" (in this context) is a particular severed part of the leg of a fowl, prepared for eating."

I think the only criteria for a leg being a drumstick is that it's dead [fowl]
meat. It does not necessarily have to be disarticulated nor does it have to be cooked although it conserves its designation under those two situations. I have seen packages of disarticulated chicken legs called drumsticks and I have seen legs, cooked or raw, but still articulated
called drumsticks. I have also seen them articulated to thighs, being "thigh portions with drumsticks" attached. I don't think anyone, outside of one person here, has ever seen either a living human, other organism or a bird [fowl] walking around on drumsticks.

So like this thread, drumsticks are simply a dead issue, no I mean tissue.

 

[SteveGrenard]

Concerning snakes: I do not believe that anyone has mentioned legless lizards yet. They look quite similar to snakes, but do have eyelids.

Eyelids are one of the things that help set legless lizards apart from snakes. Cranial structure is also different and the difference in outward appearance between a snake and a legless lizard's head is very apparent. There are geckos without eyelids, however. They regularly clean off and moisten their eyes with their tongues. You can see an example of this in one of the Geico gecko TV commercials (shown in the U.S.). There are probably photos on the web of this behavior.

 

[Rolfe]

Well, if Claus has his tongue in his cheek, maybe he can let the rest of us in on the joke. Because so far it appears like an extraordinarly badly-worded question, with no obvious relevance to the matter under discussion. Leading to yet another example of Claus refusing to admit he might have been in any way in the wrong.

He attacks other posters for refusing to answer direct questions posed by him, and repeatedly demands explanations based on his own narrow (often straw-mannish) interpretation of what he thinks the other poster meant. He always insists that his own interpretation of what they meant is the correct one, not any subsequent explanation they might provide. And he's very very belligerent about it all.

And yet here he won't even tell us the details of the dictionary references he was relying on, or explain the relevance of his question to the point at issue.

Bah, humbug.

Rolfe.

 

[Rolfe]

Yet, at the end of the day, a leg is not a leg. Only when it is.

Alice in Wonderland. I see a lot of head-choppin'....

Yes, Alice in Wonderland. Like Humpty Dumpty, Claus decides what words mean, and that's his position.

Claus, what's so hard? Tell us the dictionary you were using, and quote the entries that supported your assertion that "all are allowed by the dictionary".

Explain how whatever answer you might have received to the question might have illuminated the point as to whether or not a snake's brille might be categorised as eyelids.

Rolfe.

 

[Mahatma Kane Jeeves]

Yet, at the end of the day, a leg is not a leg. Only when it is.

Alice in Wonderland. I see a lot of head-choppin'....

Already explained several times. You want to rewrite the English dictionary, so you don't have to engage in debate, provide evidence or do anything.

Except bitch and whine.

1/9/05

 

[cloudshipsrule]

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One caveat: My drumsticks fell asleep from sitting so damn long!