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SmugBaldy's blog on Sylvia

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I’ve been reading the blog linked by Randi in this weeks swift, the one detailing Sylvia Browne’s “predictions” for 2006.

Please don’t take this message as anything even slightly resembling a belief in Sylvia Browne’s self-proclaimed abilities. It’s more of a criticism of the author’s methodology. Most of these “predications” weren’t predictions at all. I’m really not going out on a limb if I say there’s going to be snow on the ground in Ohio in January, and that’s the category most of this fall into.

Naturally the writer is going to be biased but I think he’s gone out of his way to twist some of them into “misses”.

For instance:

Two more earthquakes in Asia. Miss.

Apparently his reasoning is that there were MORE than two quakes in Asia. And this is a normal occurrence so can’t really be a prediction.

Floods in the Midwest as usual: Miss

Scored as a miss because it was more than “usual” flooding?

“There will be some kind of vaccination for certain types of cancer” scored as a miss.

The FDA approved Gardasi, a vaccination against HPV back in June. The author missed that one. Even if he hadn’t this would probably also be scored as a miss since the prediction stated “types” instead of “a type”.

Instead of removing them as predictions, or creating a different category, the author decides to list them as “misses”. This is a dishonest way of scoring. Even something that is hit dead on:

“Britney Spears will divorce. She finds her husband not what she thought he was.”

Is counted as a “miss” because it was widely blogged about earlier. Again, this should have been put into its own category or discarded & a reason given why it was discarded. To claim this as a “miss” is, to me, intellectually dishonest.

My point: If you’re going categorize things only as “missed predications” and “correct predictions” then it’s unfair to score it as a “miss”, even when it’s correct, because you don’t consider it a prediction.

I think it would have been far more accurate, and telling, to create a third category along the lines of “not truly predictions” or some such and explain why they’re more guesses than predictions. Even running the numbers that way Sylvia’s record doesn’t even make it up to the “pathetic” category. But I think it would be closer to a critical way of thinking.
 
I had the same thoughts as I read the blog, and disregarded it as nothing better than a blog that had as much balance and reason as a blog from a Sylvia Browne follower might have. (if any of Sylvia Browne's followers had the brains to make a coherent blog)
 
...It’s more of a criticism of the author’s methodology.
I don't necessarily disagree but can you ShowUs how it can be done better. Then we see if it can be done better. Unless you do this you won't know and the criticism may be misplaced.

Big job though, sorry.
 
Floods in the Midwest as usual: Miss
Scored as a miss because it was more than “usual” flooding?
This is what he actually said:

"There were several flood events in the midwest in 2006, but these were hardly usual. In June and September, several states recorded some of their wettest months on record. If Sylvia had predicted that, “The entire state of Kentucky would have it’s 2nd wettest September on record”, then we might have handed it to her."

She specifically mentioned something that happens all the time so that is not a valid prediction. But, having mentioned the floods, she missed the fact that the floods were nearly the worse on record. This is surely a miss.

“There will be some kind of vaccination for certain types of cancer” scored as a miss.
This is what Sylvia actually said:

"There will be some kind of vaccination for certain types of cancer. Stomach and colon."

She identifies the type of cancer as stomach and colon cancer.

His resonse was:

"There was promising news about colon cancer vaccines way back in 1999 here and here and 2001.
Predicting that there will be “some kind of vaccination for certain types of cancers” sounds impressive, until you consider that researchers have been working on cancer vaccines since at least the 20th century."

Presumably she knew about the research on colon cancer vaccines, and predicted that these vaccines would become available in 2005. They didn't. She missed. And, having mentioned vaccines, she missed the fact that there would be a vaccine for cervical cancer.
 
Um you may not want to hear this but...

Since we all saw the blasting Sylvia Browne got from Randi and Bob Lancaster at TAM-5, I was browsing over to RSL's site caught the link to the old Montel Williams Show with Browne back in 2000 and something... and then ..

Sheeee's Baaaack
That Poltergeist ee enough :-)

Montel Williams This Wednesday 1.31.07
Silvia Browne explores the unknown....
 
She's on every Wednesday on Montel...twice every Wednesday here in the L.A. area. It appears this week's eps are also re-runs. :(
 
ShowMe said:
Naturally the writer is going to be biased but I think he’s gone out of his way to twist some of them into “misses”.

I'm certainly as biased as everyone else, and I've invited independent verification of the claims I've made, as well as the data upon which I base my conclusions. Even so, I stand by those claims until someone is able to refute them. As for twisting some - I actually gave her the benefit of the doubt a couple times. Hell, she predicted that Bush's polling numbers would decline, and that counts as a hit.

ShowMe said:
Floods in the Midwest as usual: Miss
The prediction is that the Midwest would experience roughly the same level of flooding as in other years. Instead, portions of the Midwest had a particularly, unusually bad flooding year.

ShowMe said:
“There will be some kind of vaccination for certain types of cancer” scored as a miss.
True - Sylvia predicted vaccinations for either stomach or colon cancer. The fact that the FDA approved a vaccine for HPV doesn't count as a hit unless one holds an extremely liberal definition of the anatomy of the stomach, colon, and cervix.

ShowMe said:
“Britney Spears will divorce. She finds her husband not what she thought he was.”
This was scored as a miss for two reasons. First, Sylvia had access to information prior to the prediction that made this a reasonable guess. I agree that I hadn't mentioned in the post that I would dismiss any predictions where I could verify that Sylvia had access to knowledge beforehand, and that certainly would have made things more clear. Second, to my knowledge, Brittany and KFed are not yet divorced. Brittany filed papers in November of her intention to divorce, but I cannot find any references to that divorce being finalized. The prediction was that they would divorce in 2006. Since I cannot confirm that that actually happened, that's a miss. If they actually divorced in 2006, we can count that as a hit and rerun the numbers.
ShowMe said:
My point: If you’re going categorize things only as “missed predications” and “correct predictions” then it’s unfair to score it as a “miss”, even when it’s correct, because you don’t consider it a prediction.
I agree - and for those items for which there were either no predictions, or for which it was impossible to tell the outcome, I didn't count anything - pro or con. For example, one of the items was, "The 2008 election will be between Kerry and McCain, and Kerry will win in a close vote." Since it's not 2008, we cannot yet know if this is accurate, even though it seems unlikely. In addition, her "prediction" that, "Trains and trucks continue to concern her as far as safety and terrorism," isn't counted because she's not really predicting anything. I'm pretty sure I accurately counted items that were explicit predictions. If not, I'll happily accept correction.

ShowMe: I think it would have been far more accurate, and telling, to create a third category along the lines of “not truly predictions” or some such and explain why they’re more guesses than predictions. Even running the numbers that way Sylvia’s record doesn’t even make it up to the “pathetic” category. But I think it would be closer to a critical way of thinking.
I can't disagree more. Non-predictions don't add value to the argument that when she makes predictions, she's often wrong. They're noise and uninteresting because everyone without psychic superpowers can guess at the future. What's actually interesting (to me, anyway) are the cases where she (or any other mountebank) makes a claim that can be tested. That's where I have to suppress my desire to go for easy chuckles from like-minded folks, and actually go where the data takes me. In this case, that was the data set I had, and so far, those are the results. If it turns out that some predictions should be thrown out or others included in that analysis, I'm more than happy to re-run the numbers.

Anyway - thanks for at least thinking about this stuff.

Cheers, Michael -SmugBaldy- Peacock
 
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Two more earthquakes in Asia. Miss.

Apparently his reasoning is that there were MORE than two quakes in Asia. And this is a normal occurrence so can’t really be a prediction.

Two more what exactly?

She should have quantified and qualified the prediction so that if it came true some bleevers would be truly astounded by her powers.

For example she could have predicted - "There will be two earthqhakes larger than 3 on the insertyourfavourite scale with epicenters lying within the continental boundary of asia" - or some such formalization.

Instead she provides an almost meaningless piece of twaddle.

There will be many many quakes of various intensities within the huge continent of asia within any one year period.

Her prediction is poorly formed, but any way you look at it, it did not happen, so she misses.
 
I liked the blog. Maybe outlining what he calls a "hit" at the beginning would have helped before defining her predicitions as hit or miss. He mentions why they are a miss when he calls them that, and I have to agree with his reasons.

A hit should be quite accurate, not just partly true. Her followers allow it to be mostly wrong and still be a hit. I figure they need to right, completely right to be called a hit. So we need to look at the semantics in great detail, and I agree with that. Nothing is "twisted", just analyzed.

If dum dum says there will be 2 earthquakes, then more than two is NOT two.

Also, predicting what always happens is not a prediction but just simple observation, and that takes no special powers. I can tell you that the sun will be observable by noon tomorrow, since it always is.

If someone has some special "gift" then they should be able to be accurate, not just get something partly right and then get to say they are special.
 

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