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Sleep Paralysis

Just curious - what type of ministry school are you going to?

I have been dealing with a combination of sleep paralysis/frightening lucid dreams since 2005. One night I thought I had awakened to the cat jumping on the bed. I got up out of bed and started to walk through the bedroom in the dark to carry him downstairs. I had gotten about halfway down the stairs when I heard a loud growling sound and turned to see a demon-type figure wearing a black cloak standing at the top of the stairs, who roared down at me in a voice that sounded like Darth Vader. Since this type of thing had happened so often, seeing him made me realize obviously I wasn't awake like I thought I was! I was terrified.

Other nights I will feel a crawling sensation in my lower back as I'm falling asleep and then feel as though something rushes at me, jolting me back awake, terrified.

Once I awoke to see the eerie face of a demon hovering within inches of my own face, a strange pointed demonic dark face, glowing sort of black and green - green slits for eyes. It lunged for my neck and chest, scared the **** out of me, but I was paralyzed. I struggled and tried to scream until finally I woke up, heart racing.

I've had this so often since 2005 I couldn't even begin to recount them all here.

I know you are a skeptic and don't believe the spiritual attack explanation, though you said you are unnerved by the experiences. I'd like to think I don't either, but it's been a real struggle for me at times too.

One thing I find interesting is that people in other cultures experience similar things, but depending on their religious beliefs, they deal with them differently, with different gods or protectors to call on. Some of my Christian friends told me that the only thing that would help me would be to call on Jesus Christ. Calling on Jesus Christ did in fact help. But then I found a Muslim web site describing sleep paralysis, where they said the only thing that helped was to sleep with the Koran under one's pillow. And lest one think that only non-Christians experience "attacks," evangelicals experience them, too.

Even more interesting to me is that what people "see" during these experiences varies so widely. Some people see gray aliens. Or reptilian creatures. I have never once seen an alien or reptilian. But in my former New Age belief system, aliens were good guys and I thought the whole gray alien/reptilian thing was silly. I see demons and dark entity type creatures - something I DID believe was possible. My demons don't necessarily look like other people's demons either. Other people see spiders or snakes or witches, which I don't see. To me this helps bolster the argument that the imagery we see is created within our own minds, drawing from our own imaginations and personal fears.
 
I've never had an OOBE but I have had several episodes of sleep paralysis. Most of the time I see figures coming in the door dressed as the stereotypical "cat burglar" black outfit and mask.

For most of my life I've also had mid-night hallucinations involving fly bugs or spiders hanging from webs hovering above my face. Even though I'm aware of this I still freak out every time it happens. I take off all the sheets and remake the bed checking each layer for insects or spider at which time I usually realize what has happened.

The more I hear about how common this kind of stuff is the more I fall deeper in love with the brain. minor errors in brain function make life just that much more fun and interesting. If there were a medication to stop it, I would avoid it like the plague.
 
I'm boring too. Never had any instance that could ever be described as sleep paralysis or hypnopompic hallucination. At least not a single one that I can recall. :(

As for why people "see" a "demon" or whatever, I think that's more a result of what we are expected to see. The brain fills in the "reason" for the constriction and paralysis with what is culturally the scarry thing. Many of us being of a European upbringing (or European stock) have the demon that seems popular in the lore. The aliens (and greys in particular) are another cultural invention that people see, because they EXPECT to see it. So your demon is there perhaps because that little lizard part of your brain is expecting it to be there?
 
Since I brought up the term here (OOBE), I wish to clarify that what happened to me was what I would perceive an OOBE to be like, but it was no such thing. I used to believe that was what was happening, but no longer do I believe it. It was just my mind interpreting the sensation while I was apparently dreaming, and nothing more than that, aside from feeling later each time it occurred that it had been real.
 
I get a couple of episodes per year I'd say. Just the feeling of paralysis, and very aware of my breathing. I try to concentrate on breathing harder and eventually the condition clears. Never had any sense of a presence.
 
My only experience with sleep paralysis went more or less like this:

zzz... huh?
Weird, I can't move.
Cool, it must be sleep paralysis!
zzz...

My night terrors have been much more interesting, involving for example waking up with the absolute conviction that Hamlet's family are about to mess with the iterative loop of the universe, thus ending all of existence.

Wow!! Now THAT is a cool nightmare!!
 
I'm boring too. Never had any instance that could ever be described as sleep paralysis or hypnopompic hallucination. At least not a single one that I can recall. :(

As for why people "see" a "demon" or whatever, I think that's more a result of what we are expected to see. The brain fills in the "reason" for the constriction and paralysis with what is culturally the scarry thing. Many of us being of a European upbringing (or European stock) have the demon that seems popular in the lore. The aliens (and greys in particular) are another cultural invention that people see, because they EXPECT to see it. So your demon is there perhaps because that little lizard part of your brain is expecting it to be there?

That's interesting. I'd rather see an alien. But I have to wonder what is causing this. I agree with the sentiment that it causes one to fall deeper in love with the brain.

It is really freaking amazing. To me it is a connection back to the past, if this is a shared human condition then it is similar to faith. I'm facinated by frontal lobe activity as well.
 
Wow!

I've always wondered about this, because I've had a few of these experiences, only with me being the "friend".

All this dream-stuff is so wild. As a former Castaneda-freak I still find a weak spot for it. You know...just maybe...what if...

"The Art of Dreaming", by Castanada, is an amazing book, especially if you digested the previous bunch. Its like a stimulant to the dream aspect.

We know so little.
 
I just wish there were some way to completely prevent this, it only happens to me a couple times a year but it is so frightening that it takes me days to get over it and I never forget.
 
Just the other day, I was having a vivid dream, when suddenly the place where I was in the dream exploded. It was so sudden and loud that I woke right up, only to find that it had been a crash of thunder, but the noise of the thunder was incorporated into the last moment of the dream. Weird.

Isn't that effect cool? I've had something similar happen. The alarm on my bedside clock is the sort that beeps once every two seconds. You can watch the seconds counter it when it goes off: 00 (beep), 01, 02 (beep), 03, 04 (beep) ...

Well a few times I've been dreaming, the alarm goes off, and my brain incorporates it (often as some electronic device). Within the dream, I hear it a good eight or ten times, but when I finally wake up and look at the clock the seconds counter reads 02. In that short interval of time, my brain was able to create the impression of several seconds passing.
 
During the period of the witch trials it was a witch on your chest. During times of UFO hype, it is aliens. For people with exposure to religion it is demons. For people living in the alps, a yeti. etc...

In reality it is of course none of these things. Just what is most prominent in your mind at the time that would lend itself to being a cause for distress.

There is a good section in Michael Shermer's book "Why people believe weird things", that deals with this.
 
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The other sleep paralysis thread had some interesting stuff before getting derailed.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108622
I'm thinking about this, trying to think how TT could be accidentally causing the bruising. I really do think we have a huge way to go on understanding the relationship between sleep paralysis and expectation/belief. I'll have a look through the literature and report back!

(I see Darat beat me to it: I should have read page 2)

cj x
 
"The Art of Dreaming", by Castanada, is an amazing book, especially if you digested the previous bunch. Its like a stimulant to the dream aspect.

Yep. The fun part for me is that Castanedas' grandson lives in Finland and I became friends with him years back. Couple of times downed a few beers with his old man too...so the books were somehow a little more than just psychotic ramblings to me (not saying they aren't exactly this). There was an active Tensegrity group in Helsinki as well. Oh, the vibes, the vibes...

Anyway, that stuff can really flip out a mentally unstable man in his early twenties. Saw a few guys get pretty screwed up messing around with peyote, ayahuasca, mescalin etc. while at the same time trying to live the "path of the warrior". I think some kind of disclamer would be in order.

ETA: Hey, my first 100's up! Glad I could use it discussing Castaneda...
 
I had an incident some years back, where I awoke to the sounds of someone walking towards me in my bedroom, and someone else coughing in the corridor behind the wall my headboard was against. I slept on a futon at the time, so the footfalls were directly in front of my face. I opened my eyes and of course couldn't see anyone. Then, after closing my eyes, I would hear the footfalls in front of me and the muffled coughing behind me again. After three or four repetitions, I went through an entire "am I awake" process, pinching myself, looking around the room, etc. After convincing myself that I was indeed completely awake and in control of my thoughts and actions, I lay down, closed my eyes and again heard the footsteps and the coughing. As far as I was concerned, there were two unseen people in my flat, and they only made a sound when my eyes were closed. It seemed as if the whole event lasted 10 minutes, maybe more.
 
I just wish there were some way to completely prevent this, it only happens to me a couple times a year but it is so frightening that it takes me days to get over it and I never forget.

I do, too. I don't care how interesting the imagery is, I hate it.

Yep. The fun part for me is that Castanedas' grandson lives in Finland and I became friends with him years back. Couple of times downed a few beers with his old man too...so the books were somehow a little more than just psychotic ramblings to me (not saying they aren't exactly this). There was an active Tensegrity group in Helsinki as well. Oh, the vibes, the vibes...

Anyway, that stuff can really flip out a mentally unstable man in his early twenties. Saw a few guys get pretty screwed up messing around with peyote, ayahuasca, mescalin etc. while at the same time trying to live the "path of the warrior". I think some kind of disclamer would be in order.

ETA: Hey, my first 100's up! Glad I could use it discussing Castaneda...


I don't get these posts about Castaneda. I used to read his books, too. Thought they were cool way back when but did some research him into awhile back and came to the conclusion he made most of it up. Are you guys saying he didn't? Am I missing something here?
 
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Does anyone have any experience with this issue?

I used to have horrible nightmares as a kid. Frequently, they would end with me paralyzed (in the dream) and helpless as the whatever-it-was closed in on me for the kill. (I think at that point I was trying to wake myself up, and actually inducing the paralysis without realizing it.)

I would try to scream, but could only make low moaning sounds, which I was actually making, not just in the dream.

Then I'd wake up, but still be paralyzed and afraid. Only once did I wake up like that and still see the characters in the dream in the room with me.

It got to where I was afraid to go to sleep. Then I read about lucid dreaming -- which had happened to me once before, when a friend of mine in a dream said it was a dream -- and trained myself to do it.

Now I almost always know I'm dreaming. (One of the rare exceptions occurred just this weekend.) So even if I have a nightmare, it doesn't bother me.

But I still have a rather thin barrier between sleeping and waking. I kick and twitch and talk in my sleep, sit up at times, and people who've shared rooms with me say I shout and holler in my sleep, too.
 
I do, too. I don't care how interesting the imagery is, I hate it.




I don't get these posts about Castaneda. I used to read his books, too. Thought they were cool way back when but did some research him into awhile back and came to the conclusion he made most of it up. Are you guys saying he didn't? Am I missing something here?

It doesn't matter. Dreaming is a make-believe realm.
 
It doesn't matter. Dreaming is a make-believe realm.

Did Castaneda indicate that don Juan was part of a make-believe dream realm?

I was under the impression he'd just added to the common lore that experiences happening in dreams are reality - the whole idea that while we are asleep or in an altered state we can interact with other people who are dreaming, spirit helpers, spirits of the deceased, etc.
 

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