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Slavery Today

JudeBrando said:
For all of those of you who are so quick to so frequently condemn slavery in the Bible, are you as concerned about slavery today? Where is the outrage? I thought you say we people today are so much better now than those ancient barbarians? Are we really?


"There are more slaves today than were seized from Africa in four centuries of the trans-Atlantic slave trade. The modern commerce in humans rivals illegal drug trafficking in its global reach—and in the destruction of lives."

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0309/feature1/


"Yes, we mean real slavery. People held against their will, forced to work and paid nothing.

Sometimes the slave holder ‘pays’ a few grains of rice to keep the slaves alive, or uses a bogus payment that the slave holder reclaims at the end of the month. But the end result is what slavery is today and has always been—one person controlling another and then forcing them to work.

Through Free the Slaves’ research, first published in Kevin Bales’ Disposable People, our conservative estimate is that there are 27 million people in slavery today. This means that there are more people in slavery today than at any other time in human history. Slavery has existed for thousands of years, but changes in the world’s economy and societies over the past 50 years have enabled a resurgence of slavery."

https://www.freetheslaves.net/SSLPage.aspx?pid=301


"Slavery Defined

While definitions differ of what constitutes slavery in contemporary society, these factors are typically present:

The victim is induced into slave-like exploitation through fraud, force or coercion;
The enslaved are subject to physical abuse and/or psychological intimidation;
Victims are not readily able to free themselves from their situation.

However, there are some crucial differences between historical and modern forms of slavery:

There's no longer a need for legal ownership; people can be bought, sold and bartered among "owners" who take temporary possession;
People caught up in slavery today can be purchased and sold for as little as $100 (compared to 10 times that much in the 1850s). As a result, people become "disposable;" i.e., easily replaceable.
Slavery cuts across nationality, race, ethnicity, gender, age, class, education-level, and other demographic features
Slavery's business side --- human trafficking --- is a global enterprise that can involve not just criminal gangs, but also corrupt law enforcement, drug dealers, and even families."

http://www.freedomcenter.org/slavery-today/


http://listverse.com/2009/01/14/10-fascinating-facts-about-slavery/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade
http://www.arabslavetrade.com/
http://www.abolishslavery.org/slavery-today
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/slavery1.html
http://acrimesomonstrous.com/
http://www.state.gov/g/tip/what/index.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_modern_Africa
http://www.africanholocaust.net/articles/21stcentury slaves.html
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/06/10/the-dark-world-of-the-arab-child-slave-trade/
http://truthandgrace.com/muslimslavery.htm
http://www.answering-islam.org/ReachOut/slavetrade.html
http://www.islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=683
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So.... we are all agreed that slavery is bad, right JudeBrando?

Whats your point exactly??
 
There should be a test before one is allowed to join a discussion board for skeptics (or sceptics, under the metric system).
 
sarge said:
There should be a test before one is allowed to join a discussion board for skeptics (or sceptics, under the metric system).
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Yeah, I was considering something like:

1. Identify two groups of different people whose views you disagree with, who disagree with each other's views.

2. Name three different religious texts which are part of different religions.

3. Recount an occasion in your life when you have been demonstrated to be wrong about something.

4. Suggest a positive trait in someone who you are generally opposed to.
 
JudeBrando said:
For all of those of you who are so quick to so frequently condemn slavery in the Bible, are you as concerned about slavery today?
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Yes.

JudeBrando said:
Where is the outrage?
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Here.

:yikes:

JudeBrando said:
I thought you say we people today are so much better now than those ancient barbarians? Are we really?
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Most of us, yes when surrounded by a suitable society. Less so in warful places where the society collapses. Not very much so if we are President of USA and we want to test what happens if we nuke two Japanese cities.
 
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Twiler said:
Yeah, I was considering something like:

1. Identify two groups of different people whose views you disagree with, who disagree with each other's views.

2. Name three different religious texts which are part of different religions.

3. Recount an occasion in your life when you have been demonstrated to be wrong about something.

4. Suggest a positive trait in someone who you are generally opposed to.
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Can I borrow this list? I can see an enormous amount of use for it in the future.
 
I think the point we are all missing is that slavery in the bible was the good kind of slavery with spas, all day buffets, dancing, floor shows, free cocktails, casinos.
Slavery today not so much.
 
JudeBrando said:
For all of those of you who are so quick to so frequently condemn slavery in the Bible, are you as concerned about slavery today? Where is the outrage?
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Personally, I have no outrage. I've seen enough to be much too cynical for that.

Right now, there are kids being raped, mental patients being beaten, animals being tortured, people being worked to death, you name it. I don't have the energy to be outraged by it all.

We're an often violent, selfish, and tragically short-sighted species.

And I don't see any point in "condemning" people who lived thousands of years ago for what they did. What good would that do anybody?

So no, I'd be lying if I said I was concerned about or outraged by slavery in the Ancient Near East, the American colonies, or modern-day Africa. If I were, I'd be doing something about the latter, but I'm not.
 
I think Jude thinks that there are people who reject The Bible based entirely on it's viewing slavery in a favorable light. I know of no such person myself.
 
dafydd said:
There is an argument that the prison system in the USA has brought back slavery.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8289
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So someone can stomach the Global Research website after all. I have earnestly tried to, but so much of it is so pathetic, opinionated and pamphletic propaganda, where truth falls victim of whatever objectives the writer has.

As for the argument itself, I think many crimes could, and should, be punished with forced labour. Who reaps the financial benefits from that is another issue, sounds corrupted if a private company does, even more so if it sells its products in the same free market where other companies pay full legal salaries to their employees.
 
So JB, do you want to point us to some of your past posts on the evils of modern slavery, to show how much more virtuous you are?
 
Piggy said:
Personally, I have no outrage. I've seen enough to be much too cynical for that.

Right now, there are kids being raped, mental patients being beaten, animals being tortured, people being worked to death, you name it. I don't have the energy to be outraged by it all.

We're an often violent, selfish, and tragically short-sighted species.

And I don't see any point in "condemning" people who lived thousands of years ago for what they did. What good would that do anybody?

So no, I'd be lying if I said I was concerned about or outraged by slavery in the Ancient Near East, the American colonies, or modern-day Africa. If I were, I'd be doing something about the latter, but I'm not.
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Agreed.
 
tyr_13 said:
Slavery is evil and the Bible endorses it in places.
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Craig4 said:
Slavery justified in your big book of fairy stories is bad.
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Foster Zygote said:
...the endorsement of slavery found in the Bible?
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learner said:
The Bible condones it...
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BStrong said:
...the endorsement of slavery in the bible,
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Travis said:
...The Bible based entirely on it's viewing slavery in a favorable light.
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"The Bible and Slavery"

"The Bible does not expressly condone or forbid slavery. In the New Testament, Jesus heals a slave and commends his owner for his faith. He does not take the time to condemn the slave owner for having a slave, nor at any point does he try to suggest that slavery is wrong. Saint Paul said this to slave owners: “Do not threaten [your slaves], since you know that He who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with Him” (Ephesians 6:9). The Old Testament goes a little further and reminds people to treat their slaves well. The most likely reason for this apparent moral discrepancy is that the Bible was penned at a time when slavery was not only widespread, but considered perfectly normal and moral – there was no reason to mention it as most people wouldn’t have considered it an issue worth thinking about. Slaves at the time were also generally treated much better than the slaves of modern times, and would usually end up being made free after a number of years servitude."

http://listverse.com/2009/01/14/10-fascinating-facts-about-slavery/
 
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