Skepticism and The Normal

I don't think it was an appeal to fear, when I clicked the link it came up with some guff about how OS012 was going to solve the Israel-Palestine problem. I wouldn't dislike this if it was true. Trouble is, neither Bubb nor anyone else has explained how it will solve the crisis. If he can't use it toget forum posters to agree on its validity, I doubt that he can get the Israelis and Palestinians to stop killing each other.

Like to see him try, though.

And have a few side bets on who shoots him.
 
Well, over at badscience he managed to produce universal agreement (even between Dean and ST!).

Unfortunately for him, what everyone agreed on was that he's a [deleted due to rule 8].
 
That effing video was comprehensively demolished on badscience.net. The fact that after that demolition job he refuses to accept that the video is a pile of male bovine digestive waste products says everything that needs to be said about him and his reasons for posting.
 
I especially liked the bit where someone asked him bluntly if he was Rome, and he danced around the subject... like he dances around anything else that has a "yes" or "no" answer. Maybe he's trying to embody his three-valued logic.
It is perhaps revealing that he doesn't seem to want to have his name associated with what he posts on internet forums. If you go back through this thread, you'll find that it's because he's concerned that potential employers might do a Google search for his name and find threads like this one.
 
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It looks like he's found a forum where not everybody will realise what an ice hole he is.

Let's hope he's happy there.
 
You guys are sooo harsh.

But so what ?

Maybe you like being harsh.

And I'm sure Bubb doesn't mind - he must be kind of used to it by now...

It's all part of the show, after all.

The Bubb Show.

If you read Bubb's last four discussions, the philosophers, the logicians, badscience, and this one, a pattern emerges:

A man goes into a Forum and presents his idea for discussion.

Each time, there is a sub-text, a challenge : "I bet you can't make me admit I'm wrong".

Some people can't resist a challenge.

Shenanigans ensue.

The discussions range far and wide, often detouring into interesting areas involving knowledgeable contributions from experts in their fields - other times merely exploring the precise limits of personal abuse for each Forum.

And in each case, there is the thrill of the chase.

The pack has been on Bubb's heels sooo many times..

... but he's never been caught.


.. ie he's never admitted he's talking bollocks...

(except in odd details, of course)





Which pisses off a lot of people ...




So it usually gets interesting psychologically - people get involved, become passionate, get angry...

... if I read it correctly, bubb was hounded out of the badscience site after some people tried to have him banished (having failed to get him to admit he was wrong, obviously), and those same people came over here to continue the harassment....

... that's passion.




Or a goddamned soap opera...





... and, 79 pages later, we appear to have concluded that Bubb is an 'attention-seeker' ?


And this is a problem because .... ?



The only question is whether the person seeking the attention is entertaining or not....



In which case look at the thread stats: 3000 replies in 3 months.



30 a day.



That's entertainment.








Gnu.
 
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Yes.... it's fun to feed trolls. For a while.

And the time he spends posting on internet forums is less time he's polluting the entertainment industry with his... well, whatever he does for the industry. Doesn't seem to be much. Maybe washing dishes at the studio grill, or something...
 
Gnu:

In a strange way, this has actually been a quite informative thread, covering many topics and raising some interesting points. You don't usually get that when a troll starts a thread.

Unfortunately, the one person it hasn't been informative for is Bubb...
 
A discussion of game theory? Man, I came in to late - know which page that was on? Just to peruse...

I think if you do a search for the word "evolutionairy" (sic), you should pop up at about the right place. It was when we were discussing bubbs use of tit for tat and whether it was a useful tactic in dialectic. He brought up game theory but was hopelessly confused about it.
 
Looks like he's stopped posting there. Perhaps he remembered that he's too busy to post here. ;)

Nah, just nobody asked him anything about his video. Thats the thing, he retreats to a woo forum when he is too under siege here, but over there he doesn't get any of the attention he craves, just uncritical acceptance (well apart from the one person who brought it to my attention). Uncritical acceptance is a failure cos it ends up with short uninteresting threads. So I suspect he is out now hunting for another sceptical type forum to start all over again at.
 
Funnily enough Gnu, that's not a bad summary. But when you look back over Bubb's behaviour right back to 2005 on this forum I think a bit of harshness is well justified. I think one crucial point that you’re missing is that Bubb has not maintained any sort of moral high-ground in terms of keeping the discussion civil and on topic. He has resorted to name calling, misogyny, being rude, supercilious, dismissive and downright personally insulting e.g., Z. As such I'm not sure he ever presented his ideas for "discussion", outright acceptance would be fine, lots of noise and attention would be fine (which is what happened), but I don't think he was ever really interested in exchanging and developing ideas.

I think you're right that the "I bet you can't make me admit I'm wrong" subtext has been very much there, and sadly has become a major focus. Most have been complicit in this, but after they’ve given his ideas decent consideration and convinced themselves that they are tosh. So again, I'd put this problem largely down to Bubb: If he had actually presented his ideas reasonably coherently and tried to keep the discussion on track, rather than resorting to invective, then people would probably have been much more willing to accept a response of "I've heard all you arguments and I still think I'm right". But Bubb did resort insulting people and, more importantly, was prepared to argue that black was white so that he never, ever had to back down. He’s taken this to a ridiculous level by not admitting when he’s been straightforwardly wrong about such simple things as the definition of words e.g., “syncopation”. This is just sooooooooooooooo irritating that it draws people back in; it’s like having a scab that you can’t stop picking at.

As far as badscience goes, I think Bubb was banned after he had resorted to being rude and it had become clear that he had no interest in real discussion. He then started a thread with three consecutive posts of (at a guess) >1000 words each, again, this wasn’t really discussion, just preaching. Ultimately his behaviour has been roughly equivalent to walking into a rough Isle-of-Dogs pub shouting “Millwall are ****!” Given his unusual talent for stringing out a pointless discussion and irritating people, I think banning him was entirely justified simply to keep the peace.
 
As far as badscience goes, I think Bubb was banned after he had resorted to being rude and it had become clear that he had no interest in real discussion.


I'm not sure that he was actually banned. I think Stever just asked him to stop posting, and as this counts as a "win" in Bubblefish's eyes he went along with it.
 
I'm not sure that he was actually banned. I think Stever just asked him to stop posting, and as this counts as a "win" in Bubblefish's eyes he went along with it.

Well actually, he told Stever he would stop posting, and then he came back and posted again, so Stever just deleted his posts. So he wasn't technically banned, but the effect was the same.
 
In a strange way, this has actually been a quite informative thread, covering many topics and raising some interesting points. You don't usually get that when a troll starts a thread.

Unfortunately, the one person it hasn't been informative for is Bubb...

I like to think of Bubblefish as a kind of catalyst for discussion. While he never alters his views, admits being wrong, or acknowledges other points of view as valid, the topics brought up have been very interesting.
 
I like to think of Bubblefish as a kind of catalyst for discussion. While he never alters his views, admits being wrong, or acknowledges other points of view as valid, the topics brought up have been very interesting.

That, I can't dispute in the slightest. Going back through the thread (I finally gave it a front-to-back read), we touched on an amazing number of subjects ... and somehow, in every single one of them, he managed to never once touch the earth in a coherent way.

At this point, if he comes back, I'm not touching anything he says until he can offer me some documented evidence that he went and talked about this stuff with someone who actually teaches logic or philosophy for a living. I'd love to compare his version of the conversation with the other guy's.
 
Ultimately his behaviour has been roughly equivalent to walking into a rough Isle-of-Dogs pub shouting “Millwall are ****!”

(Or if you're a New Yorker: "RED SOX RULE!")

The obvious question did come up time and again: Why is he posting about this in a skeptic's forum, if he doesn't want a skeptical discussion? Simple: he doesn't want one. He wants us to cave, or he wants to be banned so he can wear that as a badge of pride (the second being the more likely of the two).

It's amazing what lengths people will go to to secure martyrdom as evidence of the depth of their faith.
 

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