Skepticism and The Memo Redux

NBC has their Peacock symbol. Maybe CBS should start using the Ostrich as their symbol.
Sept. 14, 2004 — Two of the document experts hired by CBS News say the network ignored concerns they raised prior to the broadcast of a report citing documents that questioned George W. Bush's service in the National Guard during the Vietnam War.
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Bold is mine.

Bob
 
I'm a Randi fan but only peruse these boards intermittently. If someone has posted this already, I apologize.

Look, no matter your political persuasion (I admit I am a post-9/11 Bush supporter), this guy has boku relevant credentials up the ass, and more importantly, definitvely shows the memos are forgeries.

Is the Kerry Campaign implicated? I doubted it, until I read (in several MSM sources) that Bill Burkett had Max Cleland's cell phone # and that in later August Cleland referred him to the Kerry Campaign for his "offerings." How likely is it that Kerry would decide "Operation Fortunate Son" would be his September theme, unless he knew in advance what CBS was going to claim? A return to a focus on Bush's Guard Service was otherwise pretty stupid, but not if it dovetailed with a media expose of Bush.
 
"...A return to a focus on Bush's Guard Service was otherwise pretty stupid, but not if it dovetailed with a media expose of Bush."

Or if it obscured closer scutiny of Kerry's reserve status.
 
Mona said:
Is the Kerry Campaign implicated? I doubted it, until I read (in several MSM sources) that Bill Burkett had Max Cleland's cell phone # and that in later August Cleland referred him to the Kerry Campaign for his "offerings." How likely is it that Kerry would decide "Operation Fortunate Son" would be his September theme, unless he knew in advance what CBS was going to claim? A return to a focus on Bush's Guard Service was otherwise pretty stupid, but not if it dovetailed with a media expose of Bush.
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Y'know, I didn't think the Kerry campaign was implicated at first. I thought the "Fortunate Son" commercial was another example of Kerry/DNC ineptitude, being released the moment the documents-as-hoax waved crested and broke over CBS's and Dan Rather's heads. I mean - how stupid could they be, to release a commercial prominently featuring photocopies of memos and a Dan Rather interview, right at that moment?

But it makes a lot more sense if they had foreknowledge that CBS was going to release something big and damaging about Bush's service. Kerry/DNC released this commercial with the idea they were going to make a big splash.

Then they discovered, in mid-dive, that someone had drained the pool.

Even if CBS acknowledges they were had, as they are evidently preparing to do, I don't believe we've seen the last of this story.
 
Who's the "unimpeachable" source? Surely not the guy in Texas, Burkett?
 
Applying this sort of critical thinking to the memos is GREAT!!

Now, if only people would apply the same sort of critical thinking to the Bible!

No one has ever been able to produce the original. All we have are copies, and there are plenty of mistakes, inconsistencies and anachronisms in them. The individuals who supposedly generated the documents are conveniently unavailable to comment. Nevertheless, many seem to hold to the notion that even though the document is many generations removed from the original, the sentiments expressed in the document are correct.
 
crimresearch said:
Silly Brown...

The Bible has been authenticated through the use of *pesher*, and the hard work of geniuses like Dr. Barbar Theiring have proven it beyond question.
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Yeah, there I go again; trying to apply logic and critical thinking to religion. Why do I bother?
 
Mona said:
Look, no matter your political persuasion (I admit I am a post-9/11 Bush supporter), this guy has boku relevant credentials up the ass, and more importantly, definitvely shows the memos are forgeries.
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OK. But I think that's been established.

At first, the documents seemed obvious forgeries. However, it is entirely appropriate that people should have tried to figure out any possible way that these would not be forgeries. There are also some problems with the site you posted: look at the comparison of 187. While the received text does not match the text from a similar memo, nor does it match the Times New Roman text that it is supposed to match (in the received text, the 7 extends below the base line, the 8 is vertically asymmetric, and the 1 is shorter than the ascender). But still, it seems pretty clear that the memos were not done with a typewriter, and that exceeded the threshold where it would be perverse to assert otherwise about a week ago.

Now, the interesting questions include but are not limited to who did various things (making the memos, getting them to the DNC, getting them to 60 Minutes, getting them to Dan Rather), for what purpose the things were done, and why they were allowed to continue.
 
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