Skeptic4Sure's Gravy Debunking Thread!

[Skeptic4Sure]

Wrong. The guy said that Silverstein said "We made that decision." He was wrong. The fire department made the decision to pull their men away from the building, which Silverstein acknowledged.

Lie.

He acknowledged recommending that the fire commander remove firefighters from INSIDE the building. Firefighters who were NOT >inside< the building.

 

[Skeptic4Sure]

Mark lisps? Evidence, please.

Thounds like it to me.

 

[Skeptic4Sure]

There were, in fact, firefighters in the building and they did initially intend to try to fight the fires.

Link?

They found that their firefighting capabilities were compromised to the point of being non-existent because the water mains had been destroyed by the collapse of the towers.

Link with firemen specifically stating this, please.

You do realize, do you not, that there is a difference between the presence of firefighters and "manual firefighting operations"? And you do realize, do you not, that there is a difference between the presence of firefighters and "firefighting capacity"?

You do realize, do you not, that Silverstein's statement explicitly stated that he recommended that firefighters be removed from INSIDE the building. Firefighters who weren't >inside< the building.

Do honestly believe there were firefighters in 7 after the the first tower collapsed with their brothers inside, with the other one hit and potentially about to do the same thing???

You truly believe that firefighters were INSIDE wtc7 after all that???

 

[Gravy]

You're calling something I remember from memory "research"????

If that's an issue for you, perhaps you should do research, rather than making ridiculous statements based on your memory.

It's also called a "Presidential Directive", hence me misplacing the words.

Which part is the PDD and which part is the case number Gwavy?

No part of it is PDD. Do you have ADD?

And now that we've got the strawman tactics out of the way, are you admitting that w-199i existed and was re-enacted by Bush?

An FBI memo was re-enacted? Was that at the White House Press Corps Dinner or something? Please explain.

Any comments on my buddy Rick Siegel's video? The "Clap of thunder"?

You mean the "clap of thunder" that is heard miles away in Hoboken but not at the WTC? That clap of thunder?

 

[Gravy]

Link?

Link with firemen specifically stating this, please.

You do realize, do you not, that Silverstein's statement explicitly stated that he recommended that firefighters be removed from INSIDE the building. Firefighters who weren't >inside< the building.

Do honestly believe there were firefighters in 7 after the the first tower collapsed with their brothers inside, with the other one hit and potentially about to do the same thing???

You truly believe that firefighters were INSIDE wtc7 after all that???

Again, I recommend that you read my WTC 7 paper, which is linked in my signature. If you won't do that, then read the NIST report on WTC firefighting operations. If you won't do that, then read the firefighters' oral testimones. My paper has links and excerpts from those documents. It will correct your misperceptions. You are making a fool of yourself with every post. Check your chemtrail filter.

 

[WildCat]

S4S, try putting the bong away for a few days and then maybe your reading comprehension will improve. You're talking nonsense, and fast approaching gibberish.

 

[Skeptic4Sure]

If that's an issue for you, perhaps you should do research, rather than making ridiculous statements based on your memory.

Rediculous? It is an Presidential directive, that had an FBI case file. And???

No part of it is PDD. Do you have ADD?

It is PART of a PDD. Do YOU have proof it isn't?

An FBI memo was re-enacted? Was that at the White House Press Corps Dinner or something? Please explain.

Yeah, didn't you read or see any of Palast's work?

You mean the "clap of thunder" that is heard miles away in Hoboken but not at the WTC? That clap of thunder?

yeah, that clap of thunder. The one the witness on the radio heard. You know, the one that was standing near wtc7 that saw the "shockwave" rip through the building. You know, that one.

Are saying that Rick Siegel is a liar and a fraud? Is that what you are saying Mark Roberts DeZiro?

Come on critical thinker, don't you think that everyone DID hear it? Think about it, firemen, leaving the scene with their backs turned, they simply heard the "clap of thunder" and would have assumed it was 7 hitting the ground.

 

[Skeptic4Sure]

S4S, try putting the bong away for a few days and then maybe your reading comprehension will improve. You're talking nonsense, and fast approaching gibberish.

It's funny, but I haven't seen you do anything except run your hole.

You are a cheerleader. hahaha.

Stay out of it, unless you have something you want to contribute tot he debate or I will report your slimey self.

 

[senorpogo]

Rediculous? It is an Presidential directive, that had an FBI case file. And???

It's "ridiculous". That's my all-time, most hated spelling mistake.

 

[Skeptic4Sure]

Again, I recommend that you read my WTC 7 paper, which is linked in my signature. If you won't do that, then read the NIST report on WTC firefighting operations. If you won't do that, then read the firefighters' oral testimones. My paper has links and excerpts from those documents. It will correct your misperceptions. You are making a fool of yourself with every post. Check your chemtrail filter.

That's fine, just post the links.

You make a fool out of yourself, every time you don't see a speech therapist.

Keep in mind the Membership Agreement and do not use personal attacks.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Lisa Simpson

 

[Skeptic4Sure]

Just so we can get back to basics.

Were there firefighters INSIDE wtc7, which is why Silverstein told the fire commander to pull them from INSIDE?

 

[The Almond]

That's fine, just post the links.

The links are in his signature. But since you seem to be incapable of following directions, I'll post the links here:

http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.pdf

Just copy and paste that into your browser window and you'll get the whole pdf file. If you don't have Adobe Reader, one can be downloaded for free from this website:

http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

You make a fool out of yourself, every time you don't see a speech therapist.

Ad hominem attacks are frequently employed by those who have run out of valid arguments. Is this the case for you?

 

[Gravy]

Rediculous? It is an Presidential directive, that had an FBI case file. And???

It is PART of a PDD. Do YOU have proof it isn't?

Apparently you do have ADD. It's an FBI case number, as Greg Palast says. No part of it is a PDD. It has nothing to do with any presidential order. I gave you links to PDDs. I suggest you look at them, and stop staring at that framed picture of Alex Jones on your wall.

Yeah, didn't you read or see any of Palast's work?

I linked to Palast saying that it's an FBI case number, you numbskull!

yeah, that clap of thunder. The one the witness on the radio heard. You know, the one that was standing near wtc7 that saw the "shockwave" rip through the building. You know, that one.

We're talking about a different clap then. I was talking about the tower collapses in 9/11 Eyewitness. Of course a "shockwave" went through WTC 7 when the global collapse ensued. The whole building was collapsing! You can see it on video. That happened after the collapse began, not before. Think about the east mechanical penthouse collapse: no "shockwave" then. No "shockwave" or "squibs" as are seen in controlled demolitions, preceding the collapse. Nothing. Nada. Zilch

Are saying that Rick Siegel is a liar and a fraud? Is that what you are saying Mark Roberts DeZiro?

My impression is that Siegel is simply an idiot. He thinks the helicopters were "in on it."

Come on critical thinker, don't you think that everyone DID hear it? Think about it, firemen, leaving the scene with their backs turned, they simply heard the "clap of thunder" and would have assumed it was 7 hitting the ground.

Are you saying that a skyscraper shouldn't make a loud noise when it collapses? One thing is for sure, the experts who were right there and witnessed WTC 7 fall, such as the demolitions experts, say there was NO sign of controlled demolition. None of the firefighter accounts indicate an explosion before the collapse. Nor was any such explosion recorded by the neighborhood seismographs. Zero. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Think different? Provide your evidence.

 

[Skeptic4Sure]

Ad hominem attacks are frequently employed by those who have run out of valid arguments. Is this the case for you?

OMG.

Have you ever read MOST of the user's posts here?

I'll make sure I'll and save that quote.

Ad hominem attacks are frequently employed by those who have run out of valid arguments.

 

[Skeptic4Sure]

Apparently you do have ADD. It's an FBI case number, as Greg Palast says. No part of it is a PDD. It has nothing to do with any presidential order. I gave you links to PDDs. I suggest you look at them, and stop staring at that framed picture of Alex Jones on your wall.

I linked to Palast saying that it's an FBI case number, you numbskull!

Sweety pie, where did the FBI case number originate and why?

 

[Gravy]

Sweety pie, where did the FBI case number originate and why?

I'm done repeating myself. The answer is in the Palast material I linked to. This isn't brain surgery, Skeptic. Just make the slightest effort. Goodbye.

 

[WildCat]

Stay out of it, unless you have something you want to contribute tot he debate or I will report your slimey self.

You have shown that you do not know how to research, debate, understand what you read, nor do you possess even a sliver of critical thinking skills.

It was not, and is not, a PDD. No matter what the nutter CT site told you.

 

[The Almond]

OMG.

Have you ever read MOST of the user's posts here?

ad hominem tu quoque

I'll make sure I'll and save that quote.

Ad hominem attacks are frequently employed by those who have run out of valid arguments.

This should make an excellent reference for you in the future. Removing childish personal attacks from your argument strengthens it. If others attack you personally, you will look more intelligent and mature by comparison.

 

[Skeptic4Sure]

You have shown that you do not know how to research, debate, understand what you read, nor do you possess even a sliver of critical thinking skills.

It was not, and is not, a PDD. No matter what the nutter CT site told you.

It is. It is directly related to and exists because of it.

 

[Arus808]

just because your repeat it, doesn't make it true
with every post you make you prove you do not know what research is.