Six Reason to Question Vaccinations

All the sources I've seen show an uptake around 80% or higher for children. For adults it hovers around 50% on average. When people are at more risk of exposure, the uptake rate is even higher. Yeah, that's practically nobody.

The elderly unvaccinated cases of tetanus deaths make up 60% or more deaths from tetanus in some areas. But, it's not that many deaths still overall, so it really doesn't matter, eh. Nevermind that it is truly a horrible way to die.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=23bbde6d029392166bc2d8e11cd08f20
 
What about this?

Tetanus Surveillance -- United States, 1995-1997

Barbara Bardenheier, M.P.H (1,2) D. Rebecca Prevots, Ph.D., M.P.H. (1) Nino Khetsuriani, Ph.D., M.D. (1) Melinda Wharton, M.D., M.P.H. (1)

Abstract

Problem/Conditions: Despite widespread availability of a safe and effective vaccine against tetanus, 124 cases of the disease were reported during 1995-1997. Only 13% of patients reported having received a primary series of tetanus toxoid (TT) before disease onset. Of patients with known illness outcome, the case-fatality ratio was 11%.

Long-Term Trends

During 1995-1997, a total of 124 tetanus cases with onset during this period (i.e., 40 * cases in 1995, 36 in 1996, and 48 in 1997) were reported to NNDSS. The annual average for this period was 41 cases, which is the lowest annual average ever reported since national tetanus surveillance began in 1947 (Figure_1) and is lower than the average of 50 cases reported from 1991 through 1994 (12). The incidence rate of 0.15 cases per million population represents a slight decline from the rate of 0.2 cases per million population reported from 1987 through 1994 (8-12) and a 96% decrease from the 3.9 cases per million population reported for 1947. The overall case-fatality ratio also has declined, from 91% in 1947 to 24% during 1989-1994 and to 11% during 1995-1997.

Epidemiology

At least one case of tetanus was reported by each of 33 states, the District of Columbia, and New York City during 1995-1997 (Figure_2), and tetanus cases were reported all 3 years by 10 states (California, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Louisiana, Minnesota, New York, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, and Texas). Of the 17 states with no reported cases, seven (41%) were located in the Rocky Mountain and West North Central regions. Tetanus incidence in these regions has historically been low (8-12). An additional five states with no reported cases (29%) were located in New England.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00053713.htm
 
Tetanus is one disease that is not covered by herd immunity. You can't catch it from other people. It is also one that needs those dreaded booster shots, something that seems to be a problem with some folks.

Robinson, when was your last tetanus booster? Mine was in February of 2005, and one child is scheduled to get one next week (would have been earlier, but he had a fever with his cold).
 
Last I checked, tetanus vaccines were only given when an injury had exposured someone to a risk of contracting the disease - i.e. if you step on rusty nail, you need to get a tetanus shot if you haven't had one in the last ten years. Has that changed? Are tetanus vaccines routine for children these days and required for school admission?

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You need a fact check. Not only are they recommended every 10 years to cover unnoticed puncture wounds, but the shots also include diphtheria vaccine.

Tetanus toxin is the actual killer and it affects all ages equally AFAIK.
 
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Yeah, getting hospitalized for an average of 28 days is a cake walk. It also didn't cost anyone any money either. Why get a vaccine that can prevent an average of 28 days vacation in a hospital? Pfft, what a dumb idea!

So, everybody STOP getting the tetanus shot. We can see how useless it is!!! Any hospital can handle tons more 28 day stays for all those that stop getting the shot!
You forgot to mention the tracheotomy scar is rather ugly.
 
I hope my sarcasm was obvious. In this day and age, I can't believe anybody still gets tetanus. I also find it hard to believe that with so many people NOT getting a tetanus shot, that there are so few cases.
You are soooo poorly informed it boggles the mind.

This source sounds about right so I didn't do a confirmation fact check.
The tetanus spores are very resistant to destruction. They are ubiquitous in soil, on plants, in dust, throughout the gastrointestinal tract and in animal feces....

...Tetanus in the newborn (called "tetanus neonatorum") still kills about 500,000 children yearly in the development countries. It is entirely preventable through a good immunization program of both pregnant women and newborns.
 
(In the US in many states, actually having had chickenpox isn't considered proof of immunity...even if you had it last year, you still have to get the shots.)

Just out of interest, does anyone know how common/rare it is to get chickenpox twice. Both my brother and my son had it twice.
 
Well I know the reason my son got it twice - the first time he was only a baby and still breastfed, so it was my immunity that fought it off - he only got a very mild case that first time. My older brother was also a baby when he got it first time - but he was no longer breastfed (a case of pyloric stenosis made it difficult to continue breastfeeding). He got a full blown case at the same time as my older sister. Then a few years later when me and my two younger siblings caught it, he got it again, but just a mild case.

The symptoms of chickenpox are very characteristic of the illness aren't they? I don't know of any other illness that presents in a similar manner.

Edit: I found this whilst browsing on the subject:

Varicella-zoster viruses recovered from 2 episodes of herpes zoster in an immunocompetent man were found to be different genotypes. The fact that the 2 isolates came from the same individual was confirmed by DNA fingerprinting. Immunity following chickenpox may not always protect against systemic reinfection. This finding raises questions about varicella-zoster virus pathogenesis and may have an impact on public health policy.



http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/cg...0.1086/508539&erFrom=4079029174286701733Guest
 
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More on the varicella vaccine:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

OBJECTIVES: The implementation of a routine childhood varicella vaccination program in the United States in 1995 has resulted in a dramatic decline in varicella morbidity and mortality. Although disease incidence has decreased, outbreaks of varicella continue to be reported, increasingly in highly vaccinated populations. In 2000, a varicella vaccination requirement was introduced for kindergarten entry in Arkansas. In October 2003, large numbers of varicella cases were reported in a school with high vaccination coverage. We investigated this outbreak to examine transmission patterns of varicella in this highly vaccinated population, to estimate the effectiveness of 1 dose of varicella vaccine, to identify risk factors for vaccine failure, and to implement outbreak control measures. METHODS: A retrospective cohort study involving students attending an elementary school was conducted. A questionnaire was distributed to parents of all of the students in the school to collect varicella disease and vaccination history; parents of varicella case patients were interviewed by telephone. A case of varicella was defined as an acute, generalized, maculopapulovesicular rash without other apparent cause in a student or staff member in the school from September 1 to November 20, 2003. Varicella among vaccinated persons was defined as varicella-like rash that developed >42 days after vaccination. In vaccinated persons, the rash may be atypical, maculopapular with few or no vesicles. Cases were laboratory confirmed by polymerase chain reaction, and genotyping was performed to identify the strain associated with the outbreak. RESULTS: Of the 545 students who attended the school, 88% returned the questionnaire. Overall varicella vaccination coverage was 96%. Forty-nine varicella cases were identified; 43 were vaccinated. Three of 6 specimens tested were positive by polymerase chain reaction. The median age at vaccination of vaccinated students in the school was 18 months, and the median time since vaccination was 59 months. Forty-four cases occurred in the East Wing, where 275 students in grades kindergarten through 2 were located, and vaccination coverage was 99%. In this wing, varicella attack rates among unvaccinated and vaccinated students were 100% and 18%, respectively. Vaccine effectiveness against varicella of any severity was 82% and 97% for moderate/severe varicella. Vaccinated cases were significantly milder compared with unvaccinated cases. Among the case patients in the East Wing, the median age at vaccination was 18.5 and 14 months among non-case patients. Four cases in the West Wing did not result in further transmission in that wing. The Arkansas strains were the same as the common varicella-zoster virus strain circulating in the United States (European varicella-zoster virus strain). CONCLUSIONS: Although disease was mostly mild, the outbreak lasted for approximately 2 months, suggesting that varicella in vaccinated persons was contagious and that 99% varicella vaccination coverage was not sufficient to prevent the outbreak. This investigation highlights several challenges related to the prevention and control of varicella outbreaks with the 1-dose varicella vaccination program and the need for further prevention of varicella through improved vaccine-induced immunity with a routine 2-dose vaccination program. The challenges include: 1-dose varicella vaccination not providing sufficient herd immunity levels to prevent outbreaks in school settings where exposure can be intense, the effective transmission of varicella among vaccinated children, and the difficulty in the diagnosis of mild cases in vaccinated persons and early recognition of outbreaks for implementing control measures. The efficacy of 2 doses of varicella vaccine compared with 1 dose was assessed in a trial conducted among healthy children who were followed for 10 years. The efficacy for 2 doses was significantly higher than for 1 dose of varicella vaccine. This higher efficacy translated into a 3.3-fold lower risk of developing varicella >42 days after vaccination in 2- vs 1-dose recipients. Of the children receiving 2 doses, 99% achieved a glycoprotein-based enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay level of > or =5 units (considered a correlate of protection) 6 weeks after vaccination compared with 86% of children who received 1 dose. The 6-week glycoprotein-based enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay level of > or =5 units has been shown to be a good surrogate for protection from natural disease. Ten years after the implementation of the varicella vaccination program, disease incidence has declined dramatically, and vaccination coverage has increased greatly. However, varicella outbreaks continue to occur among vaccinated persons. Although varicella disease among vaccinated persons is mild, they are contagious and able to sustain transmission. As a step toward better control of varicella outbreaks and to reduce the impact on schools and public health officials, in June 2005, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices recommended the use of a second dose of varicella vaccine in outbreak settings. Early recognition of outbreaks is important to effectively implement a 2-dose vaccination response and to prevent more cases. Although the current recommendation of providing a second dose of varicella vaccine during an outbreak offers a tool for controlling outbreaks, a routine 2-dose recommendation would be more effective at preventing cases. Based on published data on immunogenicity and efficacy of 2 doses of varicella vaccine, routine 2-dose vaccination will provide improved protection against disease and further reduce morbidity and mortality from varicella.

99% vaccine coverage could not stop an outbreak!

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/356/11/1121

Loss of Vaccine-Induced Immunity to Varicella over Time

ABSTRACT

Background The introduction of universal varicella vaccination in 1995 has substantially reduced varicella-related morbidity and mortality in the United States. However, it remains unclear whether vaccine-induced immunity wanes over time, a condition that may result in increased susceptibility later in life, when the risk of serious complications may be greater than in childhood.

Methods We examined 10 years (1995 to 2004) of active surveillance data from a sentinel population of 350,000 subjects to determine whether the severity and incidence of breakthrough varicella (with an onset of rash >42 days after vaccination) increased with the time since vaccination. We used multivariate logistic regression to adjust for the year of disease onset (calendar year) and the subject's age at both disease onset and vaccination.

Results A total of 11,356 subjects were reported to have varicella during the surveillance period, of whom 1080 (9.5%) had breakthrough disease. Children between the ages of 8 and 12 years who had been vaccinated at least 5 years previously were significantly more likely to have moderate or severe disease than were those who had been vaccinated less than 5 years previously (risk ratio, 2.6; 95% confidence interval [CI], 1.2 to 5.8). The annual rate of breakthrough varicella significantly increased with the time since vaccination, from 1.6 cases per 1000 person-years (95% CI, 1.2 to 2.0) within 1 year after vaccination to 9.0 per 1000 person-years (95% CI, 6.9 to 11.7) at 5 years and 58.2 per 1000 person-years (95% CI, 36.0 to 94.0) at 9 years.

Conclusions A second dose of varicella vaccine, now recommended for all children, could improve protection from both primary vaccine failure and waning vaccine-induced immunity.

It would seem attempting to stop chickenpox could end up being like trying to nail jelly to the ceiling.
 
Do you actually read your links? They suggest the opposite of your position.

The annual rate of breakthrough varicella significantly increased with the time since vaccination:

1.6 cases per 1000 person-years (95% CI, 1.2 to 2.0) within 1 year after vaccination to

9.0 per 1000 person-years (95% CI, 6.9 to 11.7) at 5 years and

58.2 per 1000 person-years (95% CI, 36.0 to 94.0) at 9 years.

Yeah, it looks like they've got the situation under control.

What if 2-doses simply delay breakthrough to age 40-50, when chickenpox is more lethal?
 
I would say the same about the word "could".

You'd be wrong. "Could" is used because a study can never prove anything 100%. Sure, the results say that a second dose of vaccination improves protection, but there could be errors, hidden biases, chance, all kinds of things that could skew the result. So, what responsible scientists do, instead of shouting out their miracle cure to the world, is say "Hey, this looks like it could be useful, can anyone else check to see if it really is?" Hence, replication, peer review and so on.

"What if" doesn't even pretend to do any research. It is unfounded speculation, pure and simple.
 
Presumably Merck will be giving the CDC second doses (and any others that may be potentially required) of Varicella vaccine for free, otherwise the cost-effectiveness studies will have to be done all over again, with the vaccine and administration costs multiplied by 2 (or more).
 
Presumably Merck will be giving the CDC second doses (and any others that may be potentially required) of Varicella vaccine for free, otherwise the cost-effectiveness studies will have to be done all over again, with the vaccine and administration costs multiplied by 2 (or more).

Don't forget the Zostavax boosters.

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=818880


Results. All of 57 vaccinees with breakthrough varicella, clinically diagnosed on the basis of a generalized maculopapular or vesicular rash, had wild-type VZV infection based on analysis of viral DNA. The Oka vaccine strain of VZV was not identified in any of these cases. In contrast, in 32 patients with zosteriform rashes, the vaccine strain was identified in 22 samples, and the wild-type strain was identified in 10 samples. Conclusions. Wild-type virus was identified in all generalized rashes occurring after the immediate 6-week postvaccination period. When reactivation of vaccine strain occurred, it presented as typical zoster.




http://www.springerlink.com/content/7b4nmrcjwyx1pjln/

We report a healthy 2-year-old girl who developed an impressive herpes zoster infection 16 months after vaccination, localised in three cervical dermatoma. As causative virus, VZV vaccine strain was identified by polymerase chain reaction and analysis of restriction fragment length polymorphisms of the amplified products. Conclusion: vaccine varicella zoster virus can occasionally reactivate in healthy children and present as herpes zoster. Virus characterisation is necessary to identify the strain and provide information on the incidence of occurrence.
 
Although some vaccinees will develop zoster, it is less common in recipients of vaccine than in those who have had natural varicella.


When reactivation of vaccine strain occurred, it presented as typical zoster. We find no evidence that reactivation of vaccine virus occurs with the clinical picture of generalized rash.
For some reason, these bits were left out of context in the above quotes.

Getting the vaccine is still better.
 
For some reason, these bits were left out of context in the above quotes.

Getting the vaccine is still better.

That second one:


When reactivation of vaccine strain occurred, it presented as typical zoster. We find no evidence that reactivation of vaccine virus occurs with the clinical picture of generalized rash.

They're saying the vaccine virus doesn't reactivate as classic chickenpox. There was speculation for a while that it might do that, but now they're thinking it's just vaccine failure happening.

As far as this goes:
Although some vaccinees will develop zoster, it is less common in recipients of vaccine than in those who have had natural varicella.

Shingles is still not reportable. The incidence from the vaccine virus in the era of universal varicella immunization isn't known.
2/3rds of the samples tested being vaccine virus is a lot, though.
 

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