Sinn Fein Wins Irish Election

[Georg]

The difference is that the government is acknowledging the fact that their people "crossed the line" and are not only stating that such actions were wrong - but investigating and prosecuting when there is evidence to charge.
Again - the government and the police and military organisations are not marching in the streets and celebrating the vicious murderers and rapists and their terrorist acts.

Well, the investigating and prosecuting may not always have been conducted as thouroughly as possible

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Robert_Hamill

If you then follow the links in the article to Rosemarie Nelson and Judge Peter King it gets even less convincing……..

The incident mentioned in the R.N. article (1997, Garvaghy road) is very believable, as police and army brutality on that day was quite shocking for people not used to that. I was there. From 3:30 in the morning until the end.

I´m not defending killing civilians, but I understand why catholics supported the IRA/Provos, because the RUC they couldn´t go to if they had problems.

 

[Nessie]

A lot of truth in that, but you are still dodging the issue;A majority of the people in Ulster almost certainly do not want to be part of the Republic.
I don't like the whole Orange mentality very much, but I also don't want to coerce them into being part of the Republic if they don't want to.
A black and white, good guys mentality is what got Ireland into this mess to begin with.

I have specifically said that the recent success of Sinn Fein is only a step and that I am unlikely to see Ireland being united in my lifetime.

Only once there is a clear majority to vote for unification and there has been no violence for decades, would it be possible.

 

[Tolls]

I'm not convinced we're talking decades.
If Johnson continues on his current path and essentially turns his back on the north I think it will result in a cutting of ties in the minds of younger voters. NI is going to be closer to the EU than the UK.

 

[catsmate]

Don't know the parties well enough to know if it would work, but a look over their Wiki entries suggests that the best result would be a Semi-Conservative Fianna Fáil/Fine Gael/SDLP coalition. I am guessing though that this would mean putting some egos in check to manage it.

Not going to happen. FF and FG is unlikely in the extreme. Labour have disassociated themselves and wouldn't work with the SDs. Nor would it be numerically stable.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I'm not convinced we're talking decades.
If Johnson continues on his current path and essentially turns his back on the north I think it will result in a cutting of ties in the minds of younger voters. NI is going to be closer to the EU than the UK.

We will see what happens when the border closes as part of the crash out/Australian model being sought right now.

 

[Francesca R]

Don't know much Irish History, do you?

But I do know that I love you
And I know that if you love me, too
What a wonderful world this would be

 

[Francesca R]

I'm not convinced we're talking decades.
If Johnson continues on his current path and essentially turns his back on the north I think it will result in a cutting of ties in the minds of younger voters. NI is going to be closer to the EU than the UK.

Unlike the issue with Scotland, the EU would allow Northern Ireland back in if it reunified

 

[Francesca R]

We will see what happens when the border closes as part of the crash out/Australian model being sought right now.

The border does not close under no deal. That’s the whole reason that brexit was able to happen on 31/1/20

 

[ponderingturtle]

The border does not close under no deal. That’s the whole reason that brexit was able to happen on 31/1/20

Sorry I meant when the customs checks at every road still open, go live.

 

[Francesca R]

Who is going to put those up? Not Boris Johnson and not the next Irish PM.

Perhaps you think Michel Barnier is personally going to man a toll booth in retirement. But EU staff pensions are sufficiently generous he won’t need a gig job

 

[catsmate]

Who is going to put those up? Not Boris Johnson and not the next Irish PM.

Perhaps you think Michel Barnier is personally going to man a toll booth in retirement. But EU staff pensions are sufficiently generous he won’t need a gig job

Oh good grief.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Unlike the issue with Scotland, the EU would allow Northern Ireland back in if it reunified

I think NI is more likely to try and go for Independence first.

 

[Francesca R]

Northern Ireland has never been an independent country. Who even wants it to be?