single bullet theory is not true says Soily

[sackett]

Hey, Soily, 4brick, and all the ships at sea

Here I go again. Damn, it's been a long 47 years.

Let's suppose that some cabal of criminals, politicians, and businessmen turned on one of their own and had him killed. Is that so surprising?

I really really really really really really really REALLY wonder why you give a damn?

 

[dafydd]

Here I go again. Damn, it's been a long 47 years.

Let's suppose that some cabal of criminals, politicians, and businessmen turned on one of their own and had him killed. Is that so surprising?

I really really really really really really really REALLY wonder why you give a damn?

So do I.The words,life and get come to mind.

 

[Soily]

From the debunkers manual no 215: "When you have nothing of any worth to add, simply adopt the mindset of a 12 year old girl and tell your opponent to get a life (or question why they care so much, even though you obviously care enough yourself to reply to the thread)"

 

[LightinDarkness]

From the debunkers manual no 215: "When you have nothing of any worth to add, simply adopt the mindset of a 12 year old girl and tell your opponent to get a life (or question why they care so much, even though you obviously care enough yourself to reply to the thread)"

From the Conspiracy Propagandists Manual no 1: "When you attempt to push conspiracy propaganda that has no proof - which is really everything you push, since none of it has any relationship to reality - never actually bring up proof or address counter-evidence. Ignore entire pages of material that completely debunk you and instead hyper focus on off hand remarks or small portions of posts in order to dismiss the great weight of evidence against you."

 

[Soily]

propaganda that has no proof

The best description of the Single Bullet Theory I've yet heard.

 

[Dave Rogers]

The best description of the Single Bullet Theory I've yet heard.

The best evidence I've seen yet that what you hear is limited to what you want to hear.

Dave

 

[dafydd]

From the debunkers manual no 215: "When you have nothing of any worth to add, simply adopt the mindset of a 12 year old girl and tell your opponent to get a life (or question why they care so much, even though you obviously care enough yourself to reply to the thread)"

Will you still be pursuing this on your deathbed?It's over,move on.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Soily, don't forget that you have questions that you have yet to answer.

 

[Soily]

Soily, don't forget that you have questions that you have yet to answer.

I'm not answering any more questions until you answer mine.

 

[RoboTimbo]

I'm not answering any more questions until you answer mine.

That's all we've been doing. Your turn.

 

[carlitos]

Soily, the random-numbered items from the "debunkers manual" don't inspire confidence. They just make you seem more paranoid.

 

[Soily]

And by the way, that Bugliosi factoid about the Mannlicher Carcano having a unique serial number is clearly not true:
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/pdf/WH25_CE_2562.pdf

Sucher advissd the Mannlicher-Carcpno rifle
was manufactured in Italy from 1891 until 1?41 however in the 1930's
Mussolini ordered all arms factories to manufacture the Mannlicher-
Carcano rifle. Since many concerns were manufacturing the same
weapon, the same serial number appears on weapons manufactured by
more than one concern.

This suggests the fact that Klein's themselves had two MC rifles with the 'Oswald' serial number, one in 62 and one in 63 was not a mistake as suggested but because these weapons do not have unique serial numbers.

 

[Soily]

That's all we've been doing. Your turn.

You haven't answered these 3 questions yet:

Please post the physical evidence that Oswald fired a rifle that day.

Please post the physical evidence that ce399 was fired at Kennedy or was ever in their bodies.

Please post the physical evidence that any of the fragments in connoly were fired from oswalds rifle or came from ce399.

If you haven't got time to answer them again, simply post the link to the post where you answered them before. I obviously missed it in the hubhub.

When you have answered these questions I will answer yours.

 

[TraneWreck]

You haven't answered these 3 questions yet:



If you haven't got time to answer them again, simply post the link to the post where you answered them before. I obviously missed it in the hubhub.

When you have answered these questions I will answer yours.

This is silly. Multiple people have answered these multiple times. You just respond with irrelevant, false, and absurd dismissals, then go right back to claiming no one has answered the questions.

1) The rifle ordered with a slip in Oswald's handwriting with an alias used by Oswald was delivered to Oswald's PO Box. Said rifle was shown in pictures taken by Oswald's camera of Oswald with said rifle. On the day of the assassination, all physical evidence points to shots coming from above and behind the motorcade. The same rifle ordered by Oswald, in pictures taken by Oswald with Oswald, is found above and behind the motorcade with 3 spent shells and Oswald's palm print. This also happens to be where Oswald works. The bullets and fragments are matched to Oswald's rifle.

2&3) The bullet fragments taken from the victims were matched to CE399 with forensic techniques. The odds that they came from separate bullets are very, very slim. Once again, CE399 is not essentially to proving the case, anyway. If it was never found, there would still be more than enough evidence and THERE IS NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE POINTING TO ANY OTHER EXPLANATION.

Now your turn. In addition to the questions other forum members have asked, that you will continue to dodge, work on these:

Anybody who wants to posit that CE 399 was faked and planted by conspirators needs to supply plausible answers to all of the following questions. Why did the conspirators . . .
1) Plant it in a location where it could easily have been lost?
2) Plant a bullet that was only "slightly" damaged if its role was to have passed through at least the President? Why not shoot up some livestock and get a bullet a bit more mangled?
3) Plant it before it could have been known how many other bullets would be recovered? How could they have known that CE 399 would not be the "one bullet too many" that would blow the whole plot?
4) Plant the bullet so it was found before it was known how much lead was in JFK's neck/upper back? What if a big chunk of lead was found in JFK's neck or upper back, a chunk too big to have come from CE 399?

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt.htm

 

[pgwenthold]

I'd have thought that portraying the Warren Commission report as either entirely true or entirely false, and the opinions of sane people as aligning with one or other of those extremes, was a pretty major strawman fallacy myself.

I will say, I really would like to hope that conspiracy idiots would try to keep up instead of going back and reinventing the wheel, thinking they have done something profound.

I am not a JFK expert in any way, but even I know that the WC had some problems, particularly in terms of timing, but they have been solved by using more modern analytical methods. I won't credit Posner with revising the timeline, but it did happen about the time his book came out, with the recognition of the Connally jacket flap/hat tilt.

IIRC, the WC was under the impression that Kennedy's "grabbing his throat" after being shot was a voluntary response, and hence needed a sufficient lag time. Thus, they thought that shot should have been a lot sooner. However, it was later realized that it was reflexive, and therefore could happen a lot more quickly.

But again, these are trivial, fundamental aspects of the case that anyone with a passing interest should have at least heard of. At least, from a modern perspective.

 

[carlitos]

It would be tough to name any world event, for example an assassination, for which you couldn't make these kinds of trivial nitpicks. All you have to do is ignore the big picture and focus on detail.

 

[Soily]

This is silly. Multiple people have answered these multiple times. You just respond with irrelevant, false, and absurd dismissals, then go right back to claiming no one has answered the questions.

1) The rifle ordered with a slip in Oswald's handwriting with an alias used by Oswald was delivered to Oswald's PO Box. Said rifle was shown in pictures taken by Oswald's camera of Oswald with said rifle. On the day of the assassination, all physical evidence points to shots coming from above and behind the motorcade. The same rifle ordered by Oswald, in pictures taken by Oswald with Oswald, is found above and behind the motorcade with 3 spent shells and Oswald's palm print. This also happens to be where Oswald works. The bullets and fragments are matched to Oswald's rifle.

That's not the question I asked. Read again. (also proof of the parts highlighted in bold please)

2&3) The bullet fragments taken from the victims were matched to CE399 with forensic techniques. The odds that they came from separate bullets are very, very slim. Once again, CE399 is not essentially to proving the case, anyway. If it was never found, there would still be more than enough evidence and THERE IS NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE POINTING TO ANY OTHER EXPLANATION.

No, no they weren't. The NAA tests conducted by Vincent Guinn have been debunked and proved to be wrong. The fragments can't be linked to CE399, of which in turn there is no proof was fired at Kennedy or found at Parkland. I'm after the physical evidence I was promised. The highlighted sentence is particularly interesting, since the single bullet theory is the theory that CE399 not some imaginary bullet made 8 wounds in 2 men, something for which there isn't one single shred of physical evidence.

Instead of saying multiple people have answered these questions multiple time, just link to the post with the answer in, or quote it.

 

[TraneWreck]

That's not the question I asked. Read again. (also proof of the parts highlighted in bold please)

This is the problem, you don't understand answers when you get them. I suppose my difficulty is that I'm 1) rational and 2) a lawyer so I understand circumstantial evidence, chains of custody, and proper investigations, and I additionally am capable of dealing with the world as it actually exists rather than viewing through a prism of delusional fantasy.

No, no they weren't. The NAA tests conducted by Vincent Guinn have been debunked and proved to be wrong. The fragments can't be linked to CE399, of which in turn there is no proof was fired at Kennedy or found at Parkland. I'm after the physical evidence I was promised. The highlighted sentence is particularly interesting, since the single bullet theory is the theory that CE399 not some imaginary bullet made 8 wounds in 2 men, something for which there isn't one single shred of physical evidence.

They have not been debunked. There have been multiple tests that confirmed the findings, but my suspicion is that you have no idea what the chemical composition tests showed.

CE399 is not essential because the path of the bullet can be determined whether or not the actual physical bullet is examined. The fact that it was found and matched to both Oswald's rifle and the fragments recovered from the victims makes the evidence so overwhelming that only someone in total denial of reality can cling to paranoid conspiracy theories.

It's reminiscent of the "missle hit the pentagon" fantasy. They always claim that no plane wreckage was recovered, which is, of course, false, but it doesn't matter. The destruction, severed light polls, skid marks, and pattern on the Pentagon establishes that an airplane hit whether or not any physical remnants of it remained. The fact that A LOT of wreckage was recovered makes it an obvious case.

Instead of saying multiple people have answered these questions multiple time, just link to the post with the answer in, or quote it.

As I said, your questions have been answered, you just continue to dismiss those answers based on nothing. This is the dance you will do for the rest of your life if you continue to buy into theories with no evidentiary support.

I take it you really, really don't want to answer the questions posed to you. Another dodge. Do you even notice that you're avoiding all these issues, or have you blocked those out in your mind like you've done with all the evidence showing Oswald to be the lone shooter?

 

[Soily]

This is the problem, you don't understand answers when you get them. I suppose my difficulty is that I'm 1) rational and 2) a lawyer so I understand circumstantial evidence, chains of custody, and proper investigations, and I additionally am capable of dealing with the world as it actually exists rather than viewing through a prism of delusional fantasy.



They have not been debunked. There have been multiple tests that confirmed the findings, but my suspicion is that you have no idea what the chemical composition tests showed.
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CE399 is not essential because the path of the bullet can be determined whether or not the actual physical bullet is examined. The fact that it was found and matched to both Oswald's rifle and the fragments recovered from the victims makes the evidence so overwhelming that only someone in total denial of reality can cling to paranoid conspiracy theories.

It's reminiscent of the "missle hit the pentagon" fantasy. They always claim that no plane wreckage was recovered, which is, of course, false, but it doesn't matter. The destruction, severed light polls, skid marks, and pattern on the Pentagon establishes that an airplane hit whether or not any physical remnants of it remained. The fact that A LOT of wreckage was recovered makes it an obvious case.



As I said, your questions have been answered, you just continue to dismiss those answers based on nothing. This is the dance you will do for the rest of your life if you continue to buy into theories with no evidentiary support.

I take it you really, really don't want to answer the questions posed to you. Another dodge. Do you even notice that you're avoiding all these issues, or have you blocked those out in your mind like you've done with all the evidence showing Oswald to be the lone shooter?

1. You don't understand the NAA tests in this case. They have been debunked from here to next Tuesday
2 . I'm struggling to understand why, if my questions have been answered and I missed them, you can't just either quote the answer I missed or link to the post containing the answer. Once I have these answers we can move on.

Just as a reminder of my questions.

Please post the physical evidence Oswald fired a rifle thaqt day
Please post the physical evidence CE399 was fired at Kennedy that day or was found at Parkland
Please post the physical evidence any of the wounds on JFK and Connolly or any of the fragments removed from their bodies were caused by CE 399.

 

[TraneWreck]

1. You don't understand the NAA tests in this case. They have been debunked from here to next Tuesday
...

Alright, this is now pointless. Depending on your resolution, you can probably get the post where I responded to your questions on screen at the same time as your post wondering where people answered your question.

You are viciously wrong about the forensics on CE399 and you continue to avoid answering any questions posed to you.

This is just pathetic.