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Simple fluoride question

Does WR believe that water fluoridation is an evil NWO conspiracy? or just bad medical science?
 
Just because someone rebutted a past thread doesn't prove anything. The people who poo- hoo things often offer little except name calling. It makes sense to me that water doesn't age but plastic does and please don't tell me that water gets stale for the reason of the use by date. Now slowly people are realizing that all's not right with fluoride. Even if fluoride was a help it's just not right to force it on any one. I have dodged it all my life and still have my own teeth.Acid foods damage teeth fluoride just numbs your brain so you don't feel tooth ache.
 
Old Bob said:
Just because someone rebutted a past thread doesn't prove anything. The people who poo- hoo things often offer little except name calling. It makes sense to me that water doesn't age but plastic does and please don't tell me that water gets stale for the reason of the use by date. Now slowly people are realizing that all's not right with fluoride. Even if fluoride was a help it's just not right to force it on any one. I have dodged it all my life and still have my own teeth.Acid foods damage teeth fluoride just numbs your brain so you don't feel tooth ache.
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Yeah it has zero effect on your teeth.... oops

ETA: BTW, other studies have shown that the amount of flouride taken into the body in areas with flouridated water isn't significantly more than the amount that is absorbed from brushing your teeth with flouridated toothpaste. Even if you spit most out you still swallow some and the amount in that is more than you'd get in ordinaray usage of treated water.
 
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Is there any reason for this dicussion to be in the CT forum and not the Politics forum, or the Medicine forum?

If y'all were discussing "Flouride is in the water because teh gubmint is out to get us", that would be a CT, but what you're actually discussing is more along the lines of "is flouride good for you", which does not belong in this forum.
 
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parky76 said:
Does WR believe that water fluoridation is an evil NWO conspiracy? or just bad medical science?
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If I have to chose between your two choices it would be the later. Although if you want to get technical the science is actually pretty solid. Drinking fluoride is bad, putting it on your teeth is helpful.
 
elbe said:
Are you as well retracting claims that it makes people docile and controllable?
Or will you supply evidence to support that claim without returning to "the nazis did it" or "the soviets did it"?
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Who are you? Just read Jr.
 
quarky said:
Other than the nazi stuff, its a reasonable debate. Fluorine is the most active halogen; it must be in a salt form, no? I haven't looked to see what form its in when added to water supplies. In toothpaste, its tin. (or it was)

How much tin do we need?

I personly don't think its a big deal, but as WihoutRights says, why add more to the water, as it is already in the toothpaste?
And why have some civilized countries dropped it?

Could we focus on that, and skip the hostilities?
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I appreciate any amount of validation in this thread. I have said again and again that the Nazi stuff was just for the point of conversation and is not proof of anything. The point was that this is a CT thread and people are saying that so lets talk about them.

But the attack dogs focused on that and I learned a lesson.
 
parky76 said:
what does the New England Journal of Medicine have to say about water fluoridation? How about Johns Hopkins?

here is a link to all their articles about fluoridation. most of them appear to be negative, though you need a paid account to read them

http://search.nejm.org/search?w=fluoridation

anyone got an account?

and you know, Without Rights, if folks like you would STOP talking about unsubstantiated reports of mind control use of fluoride by the Nazis, Soviets, and Martians, and just STUCK TO THE SCIENCE...maybe your goal of removing fluoride from the water supply might actually get accomplished. bringing up silly scare-tactic conspiracy theories may be one of the MAIN reasons why your argument is disregarded by the scientific community.

the best way to kill a movement or issue..is to throw in loony conspiracy theories into the mix. it works like a charm.

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Once again this is a CT forum and people are saying it so lets discuss it.

Now, are you agreeing that Fluoride should not be swallowed?
 
quarky said:
Doesn't much matter, as almost no one drinks straight tap water anymore in the U.S.
The fluorine issue has helped sell a lot of plastic bottles.
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It does matter. people cook with tap water. Corporation use local water supplies to process foods and drink. Plus not everyone can afford to buy bottled water. Beside the fact that most bottled water is just local fluoridated water with a label.
 
Without Rights said:
Once again this is a CT forum and people are saying it so lets discuss it.

Now, are you agreeing that Fluoride should not be swallowed?
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Many agree that beer should not be swallowed. Pretty sure it is not good for you, but it does not give anyone the right to say that we are being killed by alcohol. Wait, are we? Sure some are, but does not make it a CT.
 
elbe said:
It is considered added dental protection and, it appears, that the majority of people want it in their water supply, or don't care about it one way or the other.
As for why other countries have dropped it, perhaps the people making the decisions were overwhelmed by conspiracy theory nonsense. Or maybe they did a cost/benefit analysis and decided that the added cost wasn't worth it.
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No, the other countries were overwhelmed with scientific evidence.

Can you site a scientific journal that provides evidence that swallowing fluoride is beneficial. Can you argue a point against the 20+ scientific papers that say it causes many diseases. And these same diseases have risen in our society in a coefficient manner. Ignore it all and it doesn't exist???
 
sleeplessdwarf said:
Many agree that beer should not be swallowed. Pretty sure it is not good for you, but it does not give anyone the right to say that we are being killed by alcohol. Wait, are we? Sure some are, but does not make it a CT.
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Alcohol is not forced on the people. You go to the store and buy it if you want to. Fluoride is also available at the store. Why do I need the Government to medicate me beyond my reach of control. This is a free society which includes medical freedom. I don't want fluoride. Why am I being medicated by force?
 
Without Rights said:
Alcohol is not forced on the people. You go to the store and buy it if you want to. Fluoride is also available at the store. Why do I need the Government to medicate me beyond my reach of control. This is a free society which includes medical freedom. I don't want fluoride. Why am I being medicated by force?
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Force? Vaccines medicate you. Many Ctist believe that they are full of deadly chemicals, and even if they are, you are not forced to take them. Ctist claim that you are but anyone that has bothered to check knows that you can sign a waiver and still put your kids in public school. No one forces you to take public water. You can get it from other sources but if it is a ct and is meant to control the masses, they do not do a very good job. Way too many people in this country can get their water from non fluoride sources.
 
Without Rights said:
Can you site a scientific journal that provides evidence that swallowing fluoride is beneficial.
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Strawman argument. The research into the benefit doesn't look at "swallowing" it merely looks at the fact the water is flouridated, and those studies show a 10-15% decrease in cavities amoung adults and a 25-30% decrease in young children. Other studies have shown that children brushing their teeth with flouride toothpaste swallow about the same amount whether they have flouridated water or not, that the amount they take in via the toothpaste far exceeds that they take in via their drinking water. Do you suggest we should stop flouridating toothpaste?
 
Without Rights said:
Alcohol is not forced on the people. You go to the store and buy it if you want to. Fluoride is also available at the store. Why do I need the Government to medicate me beyond my reach of control. This is a free society which includes medical freedom. I don't want fluoride. Why am I being medicated by force?
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dont drink tap water. :D
 
It has been claimed a couple of times in this thread that the phosphate and aluminium fertiliser industries have a dark, nefarious interest in disposing of unwanted fluoride waste in water supplies. This is a misconception which couldn't be further from the truth.

Manufacturing process:

Typically the mineral apatite, which is a mixture of calcium phosphates, fluorides and carbonates, is heated with sand to around 1200 to 1500ºC. Vapourised P4 is produced which is subsequently condensed.

The by-product is fluorosilicic acid (hexafluorosilicic acid H2SiF6)is recovered from the vapour phase which ensures a high degree of purity. The product is therefore manufactured in tandem with the production of phosphoric acid and can be described as a co-product.

It would be equally valid to call phosphoric acid a by product of fluorosilicic acid manufacture.

As an added aside some of the phosphoric acid generated is the starting point for phosphates that eventually end up in toothpastes.

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