Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

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LTC8K6 said:
WP, where is this bigfoot skeleton we are using to get this mystical IM?
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Apparently it resides in the minds of Green, Steindorf, Meldrum and others. Since they are convinced that Patty is a Bigfoot, they feel confident that their estimates are sound.

We truly need to see IM indexes for Bigfoot and/or gorilla costumes.

Would the IM index for this thing indicate a gorilla or a man?...

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William Parcher wrote:
In my opinion, the PGF shows BH inside of a modified gorilla suit...
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Bob Huh?ronimus was not in the "suit".

Two REAL GOOD reasons why:

1) He said he used a helmet....and there's barely (if that) enough room inside Patty's head for a human head (with a forehead, that is)...let alone a human head with a helmet on.
Absolutely ZERO chance that it's 'a guy with a helmet on inside a suit'.

2) His arms are shorter than Patty's arms, in proportion to the body.
And since we can clearly see Patty's fingers bending in the film.....they can't be Bob's fingers! :)

Here's another comparison with a suit.
Note the difference in arm lengths...proportionally speaking.....
 

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If the best bigfootery has to offer is futile dithering trying to get a 40 year old poor quality film produced under questionable circumstances by a questionable individual of a questionable individual at considerable distance then it's participants should really consider a new line of thinking.

Anywho...
SweatyYeti said:
I'm working on drawing human-shaped head outlines inside the side profile outline of Patty's head.

We'll see what that shows.
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*kitakaze glances at the calendar*
 
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Great Toronto Star article:

Are you out there bigfoot?

*voice in the distance not unlike Desi Arnez* ....nnnoooo.

It's the little moments, really. From the article:
I'm reminded of something Bigfoot enthusiast René Dahinden said to the fifth estate in 1976: "I will keep on searching till I find the damn thing."

He never did. And now he's gone.
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Correa Neto said:
Denialism is to say a Patty suit was impossible back in the late 60s.

From time to time we see a post which represents something genuinely novel and interesting. This post, number 3640, is one of them. As an added bonus, we get Larry Storch in a funny hat!

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A well know Bigfooter once told me that Lycra was not available in 1967! I suspected he was wrong, as I remembered my mother telling me she wore Spandex in the 1960's. Well, according to our friend Wikipedia;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spandex

Spandex (Lycra) was invented in 1959!

I think there is a good reason that Bigfootery has only paid attention to the account of Janos Prohaska, and no one else: Real experts like John Vulich, Stan Winston, and Chris Walas, all say it's obviously a guy-in-a-suit! Even Jeff Meldrum trotts old Janos in his book and ignores every other opinion to the contrary.

Yeah, people had the means, materials, and craftsmanship to make such things back then...
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SweatyYeti said:
William Parcher wrote:

2) His arms are shorter than Patty's arms, in proportion to the body.
And since we can clearly see Patty's fingers bending in the film.....they can't be Bob's fingers! :)
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If his arms were longer, we might have a problem. They wouldn't fit inside Patty's arms.

We don't clearly see fingers bending. I'm not sure we see fingers. Bigfoot enthusiasts like making claims like that, but just claiming something is "clearly" visible doesn't make it so.
 
tube said:
A well know Bigfooter once told me that Lycra was not available in 1967!
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Philip Morris says that the gorilla suit that he sold to Roger Patterson in May 1967 was largely made from Dynel. I'm pretty sure he said the face, hands and feet were Latex.
 
William Parcher said:
Philip Morris says that the gorilla suit that he sold to Roger Patterson in May 1967 was largely made from Dynel. I'm pretty sure he said the face, hands and feet were Latex.
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Are you claiming Dynel and/or Latex were not available in 1967? If not, I fail to see the point of this post.
 
Hitch said:
Are you claiming Dynel and/or Latex were not available in 1967? If not, I fail to see the point of this post.
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No. Tube had apparently heard from a PGF believer that the Patty suit was "supposidly" made from Lycra. The believer insinuated that that material wasn't even available in 1967. I mentioned that the man who claims to have built the gorilla suit and sold it to RP... used Dynel.
 
William Parcher said:
No. Tube had apparently heard from a PGF believer that the Patty suit was "supposidly" made from Lycra. The believer insinuated that that material wasn't even available in 1967. I mentioned that the man who claims to have built the gorilla suit and sold it to RP... used Dynel.
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Wait... what?

Someone who believes that Patty is a real Bigfoot told Tube that the (non-existent) suit was made of Lycra?

Am I the only one confused?
 
But, if there's no suit suit, what does it matter what it wasn't made out of?
 
tube said:
From time to time we see a post which represents something genuinely novel and interesting. This post, number 3640, is one of them. As an added bonus, we get Larry Storch in a funny hat!

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Hehehehe, thanks!

Here`s another bonus! A bit embarassing for Tracy, but since we`re talking about Patty it might just be OK...
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ETA- I was about to say how it reminded me of my childhood, but then I noticed it could be much more embarassing to me, given the boy`s clothes...

Oh, and some people forgot about this...
Where we can learn how to make a long forearm with movable fingers, trashing out all the IM and moving fingers arguments. Not that I think one can really see Patty`s fingers moving, aniway... And before complaing about the complex mechanism, let me tell you I can figure out ways of making a simpler mechanism. I bet Tube and other posters here can also.

Note it also shows how to make a sloped forehead. Not that I think Patty do has such a feature or that Patty suit had that level of sophistication. Its just another blunder from some PGF defenders...
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Why everytime I read some claims about details seen at PGF the image of some folks singing at a bigfoot meeting`s chorus comes to my mind
"Than I saw her face...
Now I`m a believer..."

This will most likely prove to be very interesting as it unfolds...
http://www.gorillamen.com/index.php?/archives/46-Building-a-Hollywood-Gorilla.html#extended
 
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Dynel is a synthetic fiber, which mimics animal hair. Spandex is a stretchy fabric that is form-fitting.

I think what my Bigfooter acquaintance was driving at was the implication that since what we see on the film is "form fitting" you would need a form fitting material. Today we would think Lycra or Spandex, but of course even cotton or wool can be made form fitting. When I pretended to race bicycles in the 1970's I wore form-fitting WOOL bicycle shorts. So even without Spandex, there are other materials that would have been form-fitting available in 1967.

Spandex, cotton, wool, Dynel; all available in the 1960's.

I suspect, but do not know, that "Patty" up close might look as cornball as some of the suits we see up close here in still photos.
 
Correa Neto said:
Oh, and some people forgot about this...
Where we can learn how to make a long forearm with movable fingers, trashing out all the IM and moving fingers arguments. Not that I think one can really see Patty`s fingers moving, aniway... And before complaing about the complex mechanism, let me tell you I can figure out ways of making a simpler mechanism. I bet Tube and other posters here can also.
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Well, back on BFF, DFoot claimed that real Hollywood fake hands were already half-curled, that is, cast in latex that way to begin with. Thus one does not even have to have one's fingers all the way into the glove to cause the fingers to extend. Relaxing one's fingers allows the glove fingers to close back again.

Even with just still photos, you can see that some of the vintage gorilla suits in this thread have ridiculously long arms.
 
Hitch wrote:
We don't clearly see fingers bending.
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Maybe you don't....but I do! :D

I'm not sure we see fingers. Bigfoot enthusiasts like making claims like that, but just claiming something is "clearly" visible doesn't make it so.
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You're right, Hitch.

Claiming it doesn't make it so.

Showing it does.......
 

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