Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

kitakaze · Feb 16, 2007

LAL said:
Green had at least five reports of shootings and there may be more recent ones. In one the hunter emptied his rifle into the back of one as it retreated from a clearing with his deer under one arm.

Personally, I would not pursue a wounded and possibly angry 8' ape if I valued my life.

Most hunters hunt in daylight (except for poachers) and many don't get far from the vehicle in case they manage to kill something.

In interviews with Dahinden he's sometimes shown trekking about in broad daylight with a rifle (most sasquatch activity seems to be at night). He never saw one, nor much of anything else, either.

Fun campfire tales IMO. So many proponents seem to have this shock and awe response to the idea of trying to shoot a bigfoot. There are plenty of poachers/hunters well equppied to take down all manner of game who wouldn't screw a shot at bigfoot and if you can take down a Grizz or moose then you can take down a bigfoot with no difference in challenge. Unless of course you want to introduce the 'their buddies are waiting nearby and will wreck your a$$' theory which really just means you had more targets than you thought.

ETA: William and Madness, missed your posts there but yes, the woo-ness of footers being incredulous of the thought of shooting a sasquatch should definitely be strongly emphasized as it is very telling of their thought processes.

Mad Hom · Feb 16, 2007

kitakaze said:
Fun campfire tales IMO. So many proponents seem to have this shock and awe response to the idea of trying to shoot a bigfoot. There are plenty of poachers/hunters well equppied to take down all manner of game who wouldn't screw a shot at bigfoot and if you can take down a Grizz or moose then you can take down a bigfoot with no difference in challenge. Unless of course you want to introduce the 'their buddies are waiting nearby and will wreck your a$$' theory which really just means you had more targets than you thought.

This reminds me of an exchange I had with Carcharodon...about how he "doubted" I would shoot a Bigfeetsus in the dome if I had a shot.

Hahhhh!! He acted as if he knew me well enough to know whether I would or would not do it.

Let the record reflect....I was in the ARMY...I know how to use a firearm well...and I would part a Bigfeetsus's skull in a heartbeat.

William Parcher · Feb 16, 2007

Mad Hom said:
A back full of shots and this Bigfeetsus is only...Pissed Off!!?!?

Lu didn't say the biggie got pissed at all. He probably didn't even drop the deer. Maybe he picked up his pace thinking bees were stinging him trying to take the deer.

This reminds me of an exchange I had with Carcharodon...about how he "doubted" I would shoot a Bigfeetsus in the dome if I had a shot.... Let the record reflect....I was in the ARMY...I know how to use a firearm well...and I would part a Bigfeetsus's skull in a heartbeat.

LTC, why go for a head shot? Don't you want to put them in the center of the chest (blowing out heart, lung or spine)?

Mad Hom · Feb 16, 2007

William Parcher said:
Lu didn't say the biggie got pissed at all. He probably didn't even drop the deer. Maybe he picked up his pace thinking bees were stinging him trying to take the deer.

LTC, why go for a head shot? Don't you want to put them in the center of the chest (blowing out heart, lung or spine)?

HAHahahahahah...pesky bees!!

Yeah a nice tight 3 round shot pattern into the chest would be most effective. I guess I was thinking that a head shot was just more dramatic...you know,for posting purposes.

kitakaze · Feb 16, 2007

Mad Hom said:
Kit I'm looking up as many Native American tribes from East of the Mississippi as I can and am finding nothing regarding anything remotely resembling Bigfeetsus legends.

Of course my research skills may be suspect sooooo...I'm wondering what would be THE definitive spot to look.

Thanks,
Madness

Never, never, ever, ever let any proponent of sasquatch try to support anything Foot related and say 'PNW' in the same statement.

This is what we are asked to accept:

Alaska 19
Arizona 38
Arkansas 64
California 347
Colorado 84
Connecticut 4
Delaware 2
Florida 106
Georgia 37
Hawaii
Idaho 49
Illinois 55
Indiana 47
Iowa 35
Kansas 26
Kentucky 46
Louisiana 32
Maine 13
Maryland 25
Massachusetts 10
Michigan 69
Minnesota 27
Mississippi 17
Missouri 52
Montana 23
Nebraska 7
Nevada 7
New Hampshire 9
New Jersey 35
New Mexico 30
New York 84
North Carolina 45
North Dakota 5
Ohio 190
Oklahoma 62
Oregon 197
Pennsylvania 78
Rhode Island 2
South Carolina 31
South Dakota 13
Tennessee 51
Texas 160
Utah 38
Vermont 6
Virginia 21
Washington 402
West Virginia 45
Wisconsin 41
Wyoming 24

http://www.bfro.net/gdb/#usa

Those native traditions are one of the least important things to look for if you accept that list. But yes, by all means do look. How about North Carolina? LAL, would be the one to ask.

LAL · Feb 16, 2007

Mad Hom said:
Kit I'm looking up as many Native American tribes from East of the Mississippi as I can and am finding nothing regarding anything remotely resembling Bigfeetsus legends.

There's not much, I agree. I've posted most of this before, but here it is again.

A researcher friend of mine (from the northeast) made inquiries at an international Native dance festival in Cherokee, NC, last summer. We were referred to a book on mythology by a resident potter, but when my friend clarified what we were looking for, he offered a modern sighting on the res, with apologies for it being modern. This friend has since found a Cherokee girl willing to share her family's stories.

One Cherokee I've talked with said they're a western thing; the Cherokee have the Boogers. But after seeing something about this on TV, he recalled his grandparents had something throwing dirt clods at their house when they were building it. He then proceeded to tell me about Jimmy Chilcutt.

I was at a campout on the res soon after the Manitoba filming and took the opportunity to ask around. One traditional Cherokee said, "Never catch him". I asked if they're in Cherokee tradition and he pointed and said, "Nobody lives over that mountain". When I asked if the Cherokee have a name for them, he shrugged and said, "Bigfoot".

Mad Hom · Feb 16, 2007

LAL said:
There's not much, I agree. I've posted thi bfore, but here it is again.

Are researcher friend of mine (from the northeast) made inquiries at an international Native dance festival in Cherokee, NC, last summer. We were referred to a book on mythology by a resident potter, but when my friend clarified what we were looking for, he offered a modern sighting on the res, with apologies for it being modern. This friend has since found a Cherokee girl willing to share her family's stories.

One Cherokee I've talked with said they're a western thing; the Cherokee have the Boogers. But after seeing something about this on TV, he recalled his grandparents had something throwing dirt clods at their house when they were building it. He then proceeded to tell me about Jimmy Chilcutt.

I was at a campout on the res soon after the Manitoba filming and took the opportunity to ask around. One traditional Cherokee said, "Never catch him". I asked if they're in Cherokee tradition and he pointed and said, "Nobody lives over that mountain". When I asked if the Cherokee have a name for them, he shrugged and said, "Bigfoot".

Well LaL...I'm wondering than if Fudd's Kodiak/PWI theory holds any liquid...that is if we don't have much in the way of Native American Lore East of the Mississippi why are we seeing so many Bigfeetsus there (allegedly).

I mean there is No lore there just like on Kodiak Island...yet we have Bigfeetsus howling in the night all over the Buckeye State...and Skunk Apes skulking about the everglades...what gives?!?

kitakaze · Feb 16, 2007

Mad Hom said:
This reminds me of an exchange I had with Carcharodon...about how he "doubted" I would shoot a Bigfeetsus in the dome if I had a shot.

Hahhhh!! He acted as if he knew me well enough to know whether I would or would not do it.

Let the record reflect....I was in the ARMY...I know how to use a firearm well...and I would part a Bigfeetsus's skull in a heartbeat.

I was also in the military and I don't even like killing spiders but if I had a shot at bigfoot I think I'd be inclined to take it after shouting in my best Sammy Davis Jr. voice 'hey stinky, pull up some dirt or I'm gonna make with the shooting!'

Hairy Man · Feb 16, 2007

kitakaze said:
The Kooshdakhaa

Where we talking about Kooshdakhaa somewhere and I miss it? I haven't suggested that name is bigfoot related. I thought we were talking about [FONT=&quot]Kushtaka[/FONT][FONT=&quot]?

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Mad Hom · Feb 16, 2007

kitakaze said:
Never, never, ever, ever let any proponent of sasquatch try to support anything Foot related and say 'PNW' in the same statement.

Those native traditions are one of the least important things to look for if you accept that list. But yes, by all means do look. How about North Carolina? LAL, would be the one to ask.

Yep Kit it was the first thing that leapt to mind actually when Fuddster started on about his PWI/Kodiak theory.

I was like wait just a cotton pickin minute what about East of the Mississippi...I mean IF and I am saying IF there are no Bigfeetsus legends from this area than his theory dies a miserable death...because people see Bigfeetsus there all the time (allegedly) without anything in the way of native American Lore for support.

Mad Hom · Feb 16, 2007

kitakaze said:
I was also in the military and I don't even like killing spiders but if I had a shot at bigfoot I think I'd be inclined to take it after shouting in my best Sammy Davis Jr. voice 'hey stinky, pull up some dirt or I'm gonna make with the shooting!'

Indeed Kit...I mean it's an animal and an undiscovered one at that...one shot and your famous...possibly even gainfully reciprocated.

Hairy Man · Feb 16, 2007

Mad Hom said:
Kit I'm looking up as many Native American tribes from East of the Mississippi as I can and am finding nothing regarding anything remotely resembling Bigfeetsus legends.

Of course my research skills may be suspect sooooo...I'm wondering what would be THE definitive spot to look.

Thanks,
Madness

I'm assuming when you say east of the Mississippi that you are including the headwaters as well, so here is a list for your use. The list is not all there is, just what picked out quickly from a list of several hundred:

Tribe - Traditional Name - Translation

Alabama-Coushatta - Eeyachuba - Wild man
Algonkian - Yeahoh- Wild man
Caddo - Ha'yacatsi - Lost giants
Cherokee - Kecleh-Kudleh - Hairy savage
Cherokee - Nun’ Yunu’ Wi - Stone man
Chickasaw - Lofa - Smelly, hairy being that could speak
Chippewa - Djeneta` - Giant
Choctaw - Kashehotapalo - Cannibal man
Choctaw - Nalusa Falaya - Big giant
Choctaw - Shampe - Giant monster
Comanche - Mu pitz - Cannibal monster
Comanche - Piamupits - Cannibal monster
Creeks - Honka - Hairy man
Iroquois - Ot ne yar heh - Stonish giant
Iroquois - Tarhuhyiawahku - Giant monster
Iroquois/Seneca - Ge no sqwa - Stone giants
Menomini - Manabai'wok - The Giants
Micmac - Chenoo - Devil cannibal
Mosopelea - Yeahoh - Monster
Ojibwa - Manito - Wild man
Seminole - Esti capcaki -Tall man
Seminole - Ssti capcaki - Tall hairy man
Seneca - Ge no'sgwa - Stone giants

drapier · Feb 16, 2007

Are you claiming that the names on this list are names for bigfoot?

Hairy Man said:
I'm assuming when you say east of the Mississippi that you are including the headwaters as well, so here is a list for your use. The list is not all there is, just what picked out quickly from a list of several hundred:

Huntster · Feb 16, 2007

LAL said:
....I found this interesting bit on coastal nutrition:

"A saying amongst the Tlingit is that "when the tide goes out the table is set". This refers to the richness of intertidal life found on the beaches of Southeast Alaska, most of which can be harvested for food. Another saying is that "in Lingít Aaní you have to be an idiot to starve". Since food is so easy to gather from the beaches, a person who can't feed himself at least enough to stay alive is considered to be a fool, perhaps mentally incompetent or suffering from very bad luck."

Lu, you never cease to amaze me. How do you do it?

I never would have imagined someone who was not from the area to have ever "heard" those "sayings."

You truly are a walking encyclopedia.

Whether or not the Tlingit had sasquatches in old tradition, they certainly have them now.

There were multiple sightings in 2005, and, even though the famous hair turned out to be from a long dead Wood Bison, something unusual seemed to be going on.

That bison hair incident was in the interior. That isn't Tlingit territory (not that they wouldn't like to claim the area).

Hairy Man · Feb 16, 2007

drapier - They are what they are - the translation is provided. Don't forget that these names aren't just isolated words...they have stories with descriptions/behaviors/characteristics that go with them. If you are looking for names that have a literal translation to "big foot" I think you're putting too much emphases on a white word invented in the 1950s.

kitakaze · Feb 16, 2007

Hairy Man said:
Where we talking about Kooshdakhaa somewhere and I miss it? I haven't suggested that name is bigfoot related. I thought we were talking about [FONT=&quot]Kushtaka[/FONT][FONT=&quot]?

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kitakaze said:
LAL, I just read the same article while researching information on the Tlinglit, POW, ABC, and Kodiak islands, and brown bears for my dialogue with Huntster and I'd have to agree that this description:

The Kooshdakhaa
No description of the Tlingit would be complete without mentioning the Kooshdakhaa (kû'cta-qa), the dreaded and feared Land Otter People.

These creatures are human from the waist up, and otter-like below. Land otters are excellent fishers. Those who are drowned often marry (and become) land otters, and land otters can assist in drownings. Land otters are sinister and potentially harmful. When properly controlled, however, the land otter can be of great help to humans, such as fishermen whe penetrate the sacred realm beyond social boundaries. Those drowned and married to land otters (and their land otter children) can return to their human relations and assist them, usually by helping them catch abundant supplies of seafood. The land otters can make human children grow tails; they can only eat raw food, for if they eat cooked fish they will die; and as supernatural beings, after being out on the water they must regain land and find shelter before the raven calls or they will die

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. ...seems quite a stretch for a sasquatch tradition but a pretty cool mermaid/men tradition. I also noticed that the article really was in need of the cleanup. The part about their slavery and comparative aggressiveness was interesting.

Hairy Man, you're kidding, right? I'm not responsible for how the author of that part of the wikipedia article on the Tlinglit chose their spelling but are you suggesting that they are refering to something other than this?:

Kushtaka are mythical creatures found in the stories of the Tlingit Indians of Southeastern Alaska. Loosely translated, Kushtaka means, "land otter man".

They are similar to the Nat'ina of the Dan'aina Indians of South Central Alaska, and the Urayuli of the Eskimos in Northern Alaska.

Physically, kushtaka are shape-shifters capable of assuming either human form or the form of an otter. In some accounts, a kushtaka is able to assume the form of any species of otter, in others, only one. Accounts of their behaviour seem to conflict with one another. In some stories, kushtaka are cruel creatures who take delight in tricking poor Tlingit sailors to their deaths. In others, they are friendly and helpful, frequently saving the lost from death by freezing. In many stories, the kushtaka save the lost individual by distracting them with curiously otter-like illusions of their family and friends as they transform their subject into a fellow kushtaka, thus allowing him to survive in the cold. Naturally, this is counted a mixed blessing. However Kushtaka legends are not always pleasant. In some legends it is said the Kushtaka will imitate the cries of a baby or the screams of a woman to lure victims to the river. Once there the Kushtaka either kills the person and tears them to shreds or will turn them into another Kushtaka.

Since the Kushtaka mainly preys on small children, it has been thought by some that it was used by Tlingit mothers to keep their children from wandering close to the ocean by themselves.

Huntster · Feb 16, 2007

Mad Hom said:
Originally Posted by Huntster
Yup.

Ever read Glickman?

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Nope....and reading it wouldn't change my mind one iota...

I knew you never read Glickman, and I knew that any and all evidence wouldn't change your "mind".

people theorizing never does actually.

And your "theorys" can't match Glickman's.

So...you're saying there exists such a place that has ton's of Bigfeetsus lore yet absolutely not a single solitary sighting??

No. I'm not saying that.

Feel free to expand on your single word answer Fudster would ya??

No.

Because I guess what I'm driving at is this...you're trying to say Lore = Bigfeetsus and No Lore = No Bigfeetsus BUT if there exists a place with Lore and No Bigfeetsus I would propose your theory holds no water...kind of like a wicker basket.

So where is this place of your wild imagination?

Oh and while we're at it....what about absolutely No Lore whatsoever...yet tons of sightings (allegedly)?

How's Florida,Ohio,New York,Indiana,Georgia and the like doing for Lore? Because they surely do claim the Bigfeetsus sightings (allegedly).I'm not saying they don't have any Lore...just asking a question is all.

Glickman addressed that, too.

But you wouldn't know about that, would you? Despite your strong "opinions".

Imagine that!

I mean if the Miami Tribe never spoke of a Bigfeetsus yet Ohio seems to claim a plethora of sightings nowadays...how on earth did Bigfeetsus elude those crafty indians?? I mean they are sooooooo smart and they documented everything right?? What about the Skunk Ape...was he big on the Seminoles list of important things??

I don't know. I"m not much on Florida, skunk apes, Seminoles, Miami, etc.

Been there.

Didn't like it.

LAL · Feb 16, 2007

kitakaze said:
Those native traditions are one of the least important things to look for if you accept that list. But yes, by all means do look. How about North Carolina? LAL, would be the one to ask.

Huntster · Feb 16, 2007

JQH said:
Hunting is a popular support in the US, I gather.

How come no hunter has ever shot a Bigfoot, if such actually exist?

It has been claimed to happen.

Huntster · Feb 16, 2007

Mad Hom said:
Kit I'm looking up as many Native American tribes from East of the Mississippi as I can and am finding nothing regarding anything remotely resembling Bigfeetsus legends.

In your elementary study, research "Lewis and Clark" and "grizzly bear".

Tell us what you learn (if it's possible for you to learn anything).

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