Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

[BPSCG]

Okay, here's what we do know about Bigfoot:

1. He's shy; human contact, even from a distance, is very rare;
2. He's solitary; I don't believe anyone sober has ever claimed to have stumbled upon Mr. and Mrs. Bigfoot doing the nasty;
3. He's probably endangered; see #2 above, coupled with the fact that he's very rarely spotted.

Accordingly, I think it's a very bad idea to be hunting down this shy, solitary, endangered creature. We are probably upsetting his breeding cycles, and if we aren't careful, he'll soon be extinct.

And then people will blame it on global warming or Bushitler, when the blame properly should be placed on all those people stalking him and making his life a living hell.

(Actually, I have a simpler challenge: Bring us a corpse.)

 

[desertyeti]

I would also add:
4. He's probably myhtological and doesn't exist.

 

[BPSCG]

1. He's shy; human contact, even from a distance, is very rare;
2. He's solitary; I don't believe anyone sober has ever claimed to have stumbled upon Mr. and Mrs. Bigfoot doing the nasty;
3. He's probably endangered; see #2 above, coupled with the fact that he's very rarely spotted.

I would also add:
4. He's probably myhtological and doesn't exist.

That's incompatible with 1-3; if 1-3 are true, 4 can not be. If 4 is true, 1-3 can not be.

There. I run rings around you, logically.

 

[desertyeti]

Not really...Santa Clause is mythological, yet he too is shy, solitary (except for his elves, caribou, and the Mrs.), and is probably endangered. Mythological creatures have defined attributes just as much as real ones.
There, I break trip you as you try to run rings.

 

[Yeah_Right]

Not really...Santa Clause is mythological, yet he too is shy, solitary (except for his elves, caribou, and the Mrs.), and is probably endangered. Mythological creatures have defined attributes just as much as real ones.
There, I break trip you as you try to run rings.

Dunno about Santa being mythological, I swear that I once saw Santa sign, but I was too scared to follow the trail.

 

[desertyeti]

Fecal pellets composed of cookie crumbs and candy canes?

At any rate, I've begun planning the evaluation/exam, and hope to have it up and running shortly. I'm thinking of maybe bringing the setup to a BF-meeting if there is one near here and seeing who is willing to actually examine the specimens and render an opinion...should be interesting. This could take awhile (months or a year), but I think it'd be worth it. More as it progresses!!!

 

[sackett]

Been thinking about it, and I owe Huntster an apology. He dropped back and refused to trail a Squatch because he was afraid -- and so he might be, because he really believes in Squatch. (He also believes in the Immaculate Conception, so I guess an eight-foot bipdal ape is dead easy.)

I’d follow a Bigfoot trail if I found one, but I’d expect to catch a hoaxer at the end of it. Nothin’ there to be a-skeered of.

 

[LTC8K6]

Midtarsal break, no midtarsal break.....mostly no....

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
Such a hunt should be conducted with people experienced in hunting/tracking, depending on tactics.

Exactly which tactics would involve a hunt without experienced people?

The kind that has been going on for the past 50 years.

 

[Huntster]

So, Huntie, you found possible Squatch sign but you didn’t follow it.

Yes, I did follow it.

Afraid, you say?

Yup.

I got damned afraid.

And yet, nobody has ever yet been attacked by a Bigfoot. What was so scary?

Possibilities.

I was a teen. I was unarmed. I had a heavy pack on my back. I was with a group that wouldn't "go along."

Today?

I'd like to think I'd follow the sign as long as there was sign.

But, frankly, I don't know.

I might get afraid again.

You thought you were onto the cryptobiological find of the century, hell, the millennium, but you chickened out?

Nope.

I was on a long, long hike. Total length was over 50 miles. With friends. We were tired.

I wasn't thinking of "the cryptobiological find of the century."

When I saw the first print, I didn't think much at all. I just thought, "Oh, ◊◊◊◊."

A big tough guy like you, always ready to talk about his guns?

I was a teen then.

And I didn't take my shotgun on a 50 mile hike.

Too heavy.

Who wounded that bear, BTW?

Me.

I hope it wasn’t you, because I’m still prepared to respect you, and I don’t want to think you’re the kind of guy who’ll abandon a blood trail.

I didn't abandon the trail.

We followed it for over a quarter mile.

It took a while.

The bear fell down into a slough, and climbed up the other side. After that, the blood trail was virtually nil.

I figure the mud and water helped close the wound or slow the bleeding.

At any rate, the trail petered out. We did the circle thing for an hour or so, then my partners wanted to go on moose hunting. They made me promise to stay at the moose gut-pile until they got back, and I did.

When they left, I immediately set back on the trail of that bear.

I never found him.

Only one percent of the Caribous are in Wyoming, but that’s a minor point.

There are no caribou in Wyoming.

 

[Huntster]

I dunno huntster, I think in order to find and track a BF, one has to be able to differentiate between false and authentic tracks and sign.

I don't think anybody is going to track a bigfoot down.

It's most financially reasonable to first ascertain if any of the alleged sign is actually from a huge hominid before spending more money on nabbing one.

I disagree.

Virtually no public money has been spent on this phenomenon thus far.

It's long past due. Wildlife management agencies have been absent from this debate, and they are the very entities who are responsible to respond.

That's what went down with the Ivory-bill. The film and photos were analyzed, expreiments with pileated woodpeckers and models of Ivory-bill dummies were undertaken, and only after the photographic evidence was given a thumbs up did the actual exploration and investigation commence.

That's not true.

The search had been going on for quite some time when the video was shot.

That video is still in contention.

And the search has been ongoing for over 2 years.

Yet over $10 million has been invested by the Feds..............

 

[Huntster]

As I said any tracker should be any to track any animal.

If you had even the most basic understanding of the outdoors, you'd understand what a stupid statement that is.

Again, an 8 foot animal that leaves size 18 foot prints shouldn't be that hard to find for any tracker.

If you had even the most basic understanding of the outdoors, you'd understand what a stupid statement that is.

Or is it your opinion that only a "special" traker can find bigfoot.

I've written it before and I'll write it again:

I don't think there's a tracker alive who can track down a sasquatch.

 

[Huntster]

And to add...

I don't care how well a creature knows it's enviroment... a huge creature like bigfoot would leave tracks that anyone should be able to track.

You don't know squat.

If that was true, there wouldn't be any 10' brown bears alive anymore.

Having spent some time living amongst the Australian aborigonies you pick up some local knowledge. For example, I now know how to see if crocidiles are about if I was to go to a creek. You can spot all the signs of 8 foot long creature that can hide 98% of it's body under water.

So does that mean that you can identify a particular croc and "track him down"?

No animal can leave no tracks (and all that entails - broken branches, droppings, etc). Even the creatures in sea track one another by the wake that they leave in the water

Nobody is saying that sasquatches don't leave sign.

What I'm saying is that such sign is disregarded, attacked, and otherwise made irrelevant by those who deny such a creature exists.

Footprints are found all the time. I found some. Some are even cast. I have a cast of a footprint that was found by a sheriff's deputy.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

You don't know squat.
If that was true, there wouldn't be any 10' brown bears alive anymore.

Are you saying no one can track a 10 ' brown bear ? And if they could they would kill it ? Why is that ?

What I'm saying is that such sign is disregarded, attacked, and otherwise made irrelevant by those who deny such a creature exists.

Do you spend a lot of time trying to track down things you think don't exist ?


Why do you think people like Noll, who doesn't disregard stuff like this, can't bring in a Sas ?

 

[LAL]

The object will be to see if any of the self-proclaimed BF "experts" can, as they claim, differentiate between prints made by real feet, and prints made by forgeries. If, as they claim, these master trackers can actually pick out real from false prints, hoorah! If not...well...

Actually, this has been done, sort of. See Rocky Mountain Bigfoot. Dr. Meldrum was sent a cast made off a fake made from pumpkin peel, complete with phony dermals. It took him all of a minute to determine it was a fake and the method (impression) used.

Why not challenge Rick Noll if you ever take him up on his offer to show you the original Skookum Cast? Maybe you could use Alki Beach.

 

[BPSCG]

Bigfoot Deniers are going to find problems with your evidence, no matter how carefully you manufacture it convincing it may be. The only way you're gonna shut them up is to bring back Bigfoot. You can bring back ten million footprint casts, and shoot miles of grainy film, but added all together, they won't have one one-thousandth the probative value of a single corpse.

Jeeze, you'd think with all these people chasing after him, someone woulda shot him by now. Or is he just too wily and foxy?

Question (possibly woefully ignorant, since I'm inexcusably uneducated on the subject): With all the people who claim to have spotted BF and trailed him, you'd think someone woulda come up with some BF poop to take back to the local university lab for analysis. Yes? No? Is it possible to tell an animal's species just from his feces?

 

[LAL]

Bigfoot is supposed to be a pretty large feller, isn't he? At least his feet? How and the hell could anybody cut Bigfoot's trail and not follow it?

Have you seen the ground cover in thE PNW? The Salal and Oregon Grape spring back. So does club moss covering talus. I personally knew two men who followed a double trackway (several days old) in snow for seven miles only to lose it in forest.

I thought eastern forests might be easier until I got into one. We were in a bear sanctuary and couldn't even find bear sign, except for one very inconclusive print in mud.

There have been cases where people were able to follow fresh tracks, but thought better of it when they thought about what might happen if they actually were able to catch up.

 

[LAL]

Jeeze, you'd think with all these people chasing after him, someone woulda shot him by now. Or is he just too wily and foxy?

It's been done.

Question (possibly woefully ignorant, since I'm inexcusably uneducated on the subject): With all the people who claim to have spotted BF and trailed him, you'd think someone woulda come up with some BF poop to take back to the local university lab for analysis. Yes? No? Is it possible to tell an animal's species just from his feces?

Only if body cells can be retrieved and tested. Scat has been collected and analysed. In one case it yielded parasites only found in certain NA Indian groups and people and pigs in China.

According to Dr. W. Henner Fahrenbach, scat has to be practically steaming to be of any use.

 

[SimonD]

If you had even the most basic understanding of the outdoors, you'd understand what a stupid statement that is.



If you had even the most basic understanding of the outdoors, you'd understand what a stupid statement that is.



I've written it before and I'll write it again:

I don't think there's a tracker alive who can track down a sasquatch.

Stupid hey?

Well I won't answer the question I'll just call someone a name...yer that will prove my case. Try and talk like an adult. I got tired of name calling when I was in primary school

If you really where a outdoors person like you claim you would know about tracking - but I think you are making stuff up. Still if you believe in bigfoot, making stuff up is propably not outside your area of expertise

Do you really think that no one could track bigfoot? You can't be that good a tracker if you can't follow the footsteps of an 8 foot tall creature which leaves a size 18 footprint. Do you honestly think that people go around destroying bigfoot trackes so Bigfoot won't be discovered. You mean that there are people out there who don't want to be the very first person to bag a bigfoot?

As I said before there isn't an animal alive that can't be tracked. They even count animals from out of space with satilites

And no, I couldn't tell you what type of croc I found - but that isn't the point The question isn't what species, but whether a creature as big as bigfoot can be tracked - so concentrate on the question that we are debating. But I could tell you if a creature the size of a bigfoot that can hide 98% in the water is about or not.

So have you have ever seen a bigfoot or seen any tracks yourself? Or do you get all your information from the internet

 

[LAL]

And then people will blame it on global warming or Bushitler, when the blame properly should be placed on all those people stalking him and making his life a living hell.

How about the timber industry?

(Actually, I have a simpler challenge: Bring us a corpse.)

I see. Don't hunt them, but bring in a corpse.