Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

[kitakaze]

It seems unfortunately like everything else with bigfoot evidence and so with dermatoglyphics claims, you give it it's due consideration and the closer you look and the more you dig, the less you have.

Don't take my word for it:

http://www.orgoneresearch.com/Ridge%20Flow%20Pattern.htm

And don't forget Melissa's experiments that LAL linked a bit earlier.

ETA: When you proponents are dutifully reading Matt's work you may want to keep in mind that Meldrum supports his work and makes no attempt to debunk it.

For those of you who want people who doubt bigfoot's existence to proove they don't exist, this isn't proof but it's certainly a good reason to not be so quick with the latent fingerprint expert references.

 

[kitakaze]

Whoa! There is a photo on pg. 257 with ridge detail of a 13" cast from OM. Might well be the second one. I'll double check and scan it when I'm feeling better. I'm seriously down with a cold today.

Looking forward to that. Get well soon.

 

[desertyeti]

It seems unfortunately like everything else with bigfoot evidence and so with dermatoglyphics claims, you give it it's due consideration and the closer you look and the more you dig, the less you have.

Don't take my word for it:

http://www.orgoneresearch.com/Ridge%20Flow%20Pattern.htm

And don't forget Melissa's experiments that LAL linked a bit earlier.

A-yup.
It's a house of cards, and one by one they're being shown to be illusory.
It's too bad...I'd LOVE there to be a BF. I've been a fan since I was 3.

 

[LAL]

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Here are the dermals from the cast of a smooth piece of plastic and a foot print.

Here is a closeup of the dermals on the Skookum heel ...

But of course, any similarity we see is just coincidence..

None of us are qualified to look at similar textures and imagine we might be looking at a common cause...

 

[desertyeti]

Being as the Skookum elk print shows the combined influence of hair, skin, and expansion (due to freezing), as well as possibly contraction (due to dewatering), a whole variety of really nifty textures can be seen. Even the sole pad texture on the bottom of the coyote's prints is visible in the excellent fibreglass replica I examined. Sadly, nothing even remotely resembling primate friction skin is visible where it's been indicated. What is visible is entirely similar to the hair patterns clearly preserved in the rest of the impression.

Let's see, what was Meldrum's phrasing? Oh yeah, *ahem* "And that has borne up under scrutiny by experts in ichnology and animal imprints, such as me, and expert trackers who are familiar with the nuances of a "living" track."

 

[kitakaze]

A-yup.
It's a house of cards, and one by one they're being shown to be illusory.
It's too bad...I'd LOVE there to be a BF. I've been a fan since I was 3.

Ditto. It really does suck. See my edit #541.

 

[kitakaze]

So, where's the primate friction skin?

 

[desertyeti]

On the primate, of course!
But not demonstrably on any BF impressions made to date.

 

[kitakaze]

Jeff was supportive of Matt's work. He did say more testing is needed. The chapter isn't about that.

Whoa! There is a photo on pg. 257 with ridge detail of a 13" cast from OM. Might well be the second one.

LAL, this one, right?

Oh, and if any proponents are not feeling up to the wealth of info to ponder- HIGHLIGHTS! :

The Holy Grail; The Original Cast.

Very interesting.

 

[desertyeti]

VERY interesting.
Seems many of the casts that even the BF-fans think are originals, might be casts of casts. All sorts of potential to add or lose textures and morphology there, especially at the fine scale at which many of the purported dermals occur.

 

[LAL]

LAL, this one, right?

No. The second one Jeff identified from the trackway.

 

[kitakaze]

Here are the dermals from the cast of a smooth piece of plastic and a foot print...

Exhilirating relief. Triumphant vindication. These fill the hearts of ardent 'smooth piece of plastic' proponents everywhere. While the rest of us scramble to try and catch up with the day's astonishing developments it is the monolithic task of the governments involved try to begin going about setting aside special protected habitats where smooth pieces of plastic may roam free, unmolested. Greg, back to you.

 

[William Parcher]

"I saw one and it was huge!"

 

[kitakaze]

No. The second one Jeff identified from the trackway.

In the book shouldn't it be easy to discern by simply looking at the photo whether it's the first or second cast? (Just you used the word 'might' which is confusing.)

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

Originally Posted by desertyeti
A-yup.
It's a house of cards, and one by one they're being shown to be illusory.
It's too bad...I'd LOVE there to be a BF. I've been a fan since I was 3.

Ditto. It really does suck. See my edit #541.

Oh...it's not that bad!
It looks like Patty's head is just a bit too cone-shaped for it to be a guy inside of a suit.
Don't despair...the details are coming soon.

 

[SweatyYeti]

carcharodon wrote:

Anyways I got a pm from the admin saying that it wasn't cool to tell people to shove things up their arse...

Okay, carchy...I made a note of that for myself, for future reference. Did the administrator say if there were any acceptable places we could tell people to shove things?

 

[desertyeti]

Wow, sounds like you can do a lot with blurry, distant movie film, SY. But since this thread's not about guys in ape suits, want to see what you make of clear, up-close, digital photos? Go on, give it a try! It's fun.
So which of these is real and which isn't?
(PM for the answers if you don't want to wait).

 

[William Parcher]

A-yup. It's a house of cards, and one by one they're being shown to be illusory. It's too bad...I'd LOVE there to be a BF. I've been a fan since I was 3.

Meldrum had an encounter with what he feels was a Bigfoot. He's probably going to remain a believer through almost any kind of skeptical storm.

"Has the work of Matt Crowley and Anton Whatshisfaceski caused you to rethink the beast that tormented you on that memorable night while camping?"

 

[LAL]

In the book shouldn't it be easy to discern by simply looking at the photo whether it's the first or second cast? (Just you used the word 'might' which is confusing.)

The caption just says it's a 13" cast from Onion Mountain. Looks like the same one, now that I'm not as feverish.

You're aware there were tracks of two or three individuals, aren't you?

Some of the casts ended up at the BC Museum, but were not displayed.