Siesmic Evidence Proves Inside Job?

WhiteLion said:
Still my heart and please tell me you do not purport any "reptilian dna" or "Seed of Cain" in this satanic nature creating a new world order of cloak n dagger and secret handshaking sob's??

David Icke??
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Not at all.

Satanic as in the Bible.

Read the Book of Revelation for "current events".
 
R.Mackey said:
What a bunch of crap.

Your entire paper is based on this bogus assertion. We have shown that, if it was true, there are a number of other consequences that don't agree with any other observed evidence, including the witnesses that you trotted out as a diversion.

Fix your paper or get lost. You are a fraud.
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You have shown nothing.

Drown in your morass. It's your choice.
 
quicknthedead said:
Read the Book of Revelation for "current events".
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I hesitate to ask... but...

Is the Book of Revelation synchronized to UTC?

All kidding aside, your sources of information are getting more and more disputable as you go along. I think a career in science is not for you.
 
quicknthedead said:
You have shown nothing.

Drown in your morass. It's your choice.
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Ah yes, the infamous "I'm Ignoring You" defense.

This also won't fly in science.

As I said, your whitepaper is a fraud -- and by inference, so are you.

But thank you for coming here in an attempt to defend your whitepaper. It's a rare occasion that I get to take on and vanquish the "minds" behind the "truth movement" themselves. Ordinarily I'm restricted to sparring with the unquestioning oafs who follow your work because, for whatever reason, fantasies of bizarre and horrible conspiracies appeal to them. Having seen the best your movement has to offer, I am much more at ease.
 
R.Mackey said:
I hesitate to ask... but...

Is the Book of Revelation synchronized to UTC?

All kidding aside, your sources of information are getting more and more disputable as you go along. I think a career in science is not for you.
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No, the kidding is to be expected from you and your little group. You seem to think you have all the answers. It's too bad, since you wouldn't know a fact if it hit you on the head.

Adios
 
quicknthedead said:
Not at all.

Satanic as in the Bible.

Read the Book of Revelation for "current events".
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Umm Is this guy seriously suggesting the Book of Revelations as a guide to current events?

You mean to tell me there are people walking around in the 21st century who actually believe that stuff?

Is he about to mention the rapture?(I don't mean the Blondie song).

How is it possible for people to let themselves be fed such BS? Why would they swallow it?
It both sickens and saddens me.
 
quicknthedead said:
No, the kidding is to be expected from you and your little group. You seem to think you have all the answers. It's too bad, since you wouldn't know a fact if it hit you on the head.

Adios
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Be that as it may, the record clearly shows that (a) you arrived here to defend the whitepaper that you authored, (b) you failed to even address the criticism, which is quite simple to explain, and (c) upon failing to do so, this is the best argument you can muster.

I never claim to have "all the answers," but you could stand to learn quite a few things. You never will if your response is to run away.

In the real world of science, you will face much, much stiffer criticism than this, and if you continue to react as you have done here, you will not be employed long. The choice is yours whether to grow as a scientist, or cower as a self-assured malcontent.

As a wise man once said, "the student is not ready."

Until another time, then.
 
quicknthedead said:
You have shown nothing.

Drown in your morass. It's your choice.
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R. Mackey did, in fact, show your paper, and you by extension, to be a fraud.

It seems obvious that your refusal and failure to defend your own work in the face of a strong and persuasive rebuttal means that you concede defeat and means that you concede that you cannot defend your paper.

Pretty straightforward, really.

And the result:

Score another one for R. Mackey!
 
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quicknthedead said:
No, the kidding is to be expected from you and your little group. You seem to think you have all the answers. It's too bad, since you wouldn't know a fact if it hit you on the head.

Adios
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I will not wish you farewell nor will I offer the hand of friendship as you go. I hope you leave this forum with the same distaste for me as I have for you. I genuinely hope you dislike me and I genuinely hope I have annoyed you. If so it is but a tiny fraction of the disgust and revulsion I feel towards your movement.

This "small" group as you call those here are only those that can be bothered to accord you any curiously at all and read your rubbish. There is an even bigger group that simply doesn’t give you the time of day. That is the vast majority of the scientific and engineering community. They simply dismiss your deranged idiotic movement.

Like everybody else here I don't pretend to have all the answers that is your domain, “the great pretender.”
 
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stateofgrace said:
I am not American. I do not care what your Government says. I make up my own mind on the evidence that is presented by real scientists, experts and academics unlike pseudo researchers like you.

Don't you dare call anybody a sucker because they don't subscribe to your garbage. Stop hiding behind your self righteous mask of savoir of humanity and show yourself for what you are. That being a loser who would prefer to accuses fellow Americans of mass murder than accept reality. Reality being Islamic extremism is real. Accuse away you slime ball but expect no civility from me. You are the repulsive creature that suckers naive teenagers into believing your nonsense. Making out you are some sort of scholar, when the reality is you are one of lives losers who has nothing better to do that jump on ridiculous theories, make a load of garbage up and try to suck your way to the top of this pathetic movements tree.

You are not accusing the US government you are accusing Americans of not only planning but executing and covering up mass murder of their fellow countrymen. You do so on the slenderest of evidence, tied together with some insane form of rational.

You are not "just asking questions” you are pointing the finger, distorting the truth and lying for your own benefit. It makes you feel important; it makes you feel you are empowered with some divine knowledge and gives a great buzz that other loony’s look up to you. You like the hero worship you feel you are getting and glory in accolade of the limelight.

You do this on the backs of the innocent victims who died in the most appalling circumstance and their families, who you wrongly believe you represent and support you. You call those that tried to help liars and those that witnessed it all liars.You twist and distort statements to squeeze them into your theories.You call those experts that trash your theories shills or neocons and those that don’t agree with you suckers.

And no it’s not because I have run our of debunking stuff to throw at you, I am hurling insults at you because; you and your fellow creature Ross deserve it. You deserve much more but for this moment I am simply happy that your life is so miserable that you have to resort to such nonsense to fill the void. You richly deserve your pathetic existence and long may it continue. Now scuttle off back to your precious movement, spout your garbage and continue to make a mockery of this event.

You make me sick.
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I just wanted to bump this post up again. I think stateofgrace nails it right in thier pointy little heads.
 
quicknthedead said:
Not at all.

Satanic as in the Bible.

Read the Book of Revelation for "current events".
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Every good story needs an villain, I guess you've already chosen the book and villain to project unto current events, that's how it is done.
Fortunately, scientific coherence and examining logic doesn't have that cross of fiction to bare.
 
I've just finished taking notes on over 14,000 pages of transcripts of interviews and radio transmissions from people who were involved in the WTC incidents. These include Port Authority WTC Police, WTC security, WTC fire wardens, FDNY 10-House members, and maintenance, elevator, structural and mechanical technicians on many levels in both towers and around the complex.

Number of these people who report massive explosions, or any explosions, before the airplane impacts, besides Willie Rodriguez? Zero.
 
I've just finished taking notes on over 14,000 pages of transcripts of interviews and radio transmissions from people who were involved in the WTC incidents. These include Port Authority WTC Police, WTC security, WTC fire wardens, FDNY 10-House members, and maintenance, elevator, structural and mechanical technicians on many levels in both towers and around the complex.

Number of these people who report massive explosions, or any explosions, before the airplane impacts, besides Willie Rodriguez? Zero.
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Save your energy, my friend, because I can debunk that in one sentence.

Firemen technically work for the gov't.

I'm just asking questions.
 
"That's two explosions with an interval of time in between. Did Rodriguez lie about the second explosion? Was it an echo? Was it jet fuel fire continuing to snake it's way through the building? (The Ginny Carr audiotape indicates it was about 9.2 seconds later.)"

They did hear two explosions. In fact in the Biography Special: The Anatomy of September 11th one person interviewed stated that they heard the impact as one explosion and the explosion of the fireball shortly after.
http://www.biography.com/listings/episode_details.do?episodeid=164291&airingid=184111

I would also suggest checking out Debunking 9/11 Myths page 33
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A three year study into the collapse of the towers found that airplane debris sliced through utility shafts in both towers' core, creating conduits for burning jet fuel and fiery destruction throughout the buildings.
Supplement to the report notes that elevator lobbies throughout the building were particularly affected by the airplane impacts, likely by the excess jet fuel ignited by the crash pouring down the elevator shafts.
NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder explains that the burning jet fuel simply followed the path of least resistance. The core of the building is where a large number of elevator shafts and stairwells were damaged. These provided an easy path for jet fuel to traverse down," Sunder tells Pop Mech.
NIST investigators spoke with more than 1,000 survivors and witnesses of the attack as part of their attempt to determine the progression of damage to the buildings. A number of witnesses reported seeing pockets of fire in locations far from floors directly affected by the aircraft impacts. Our survivor NIST granted all witnesses anonymity in exchange for their cooperation-near an elevator between the 40th and 50th floors of the North Tower recalled, "I saw the elevator in front of me had flames coming out of it. The elevator was closed but the flames came from the front where the doors meet and on the sides...I saw a chandelier shaking; it was really moving...black smoke started filling the corridor, it got really dense fast." And a survivor in the basement of the North Tower at the time of the attack recalled, "I saw a big bright orange color coming through the basement with the smoke...A fireball came shooting out the basement door."

Investigators heard additional reports that some elevators "slammed right down" to the ground floor in loud violent crashes. The doors cracked open on the lobby floor and flames came out and people died", says James Quintiere, an engineering professor at the University of Maryland and a NIST adviser. A similar observation was made by Jules and Gedeon Naudet. On the day of the attacks, the french brothers were making a documentary about Tony Benetatos, a rookie NY City firefighter blocks from the WTC. Beneatos became one of the first responders to the N Tower. As Jules Naudet followed him into the lobby, minutes after the first aircraft struck, the filmmaker saw victims on fire, a scene he found too horrific to record.

The Empire State Building accident in 1945 also generated damage far from the impact area.

The fuel in the core of the WTC towers was not the only cause of disturbances on the lower floors. The violent swaying of the buildings following the crashes also caused sever damage. The vigorous shaking of the building associated with the impact was enough to casue what we call secondary damage. Sunder says in this case we had extensive damage to the ceiling tiles, walls, and partitions throughout the building.

Here is the portion of the video where they first enter the towers.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6932.htm

I would highly recommend watching this video.
 
Gravy said:
I've just finished taking notes on over 14,000 pages of transcripts of interviews and radio transmissions from people who were involved in the WTC incidents. These include Port Authority WTC Police, WTC security, WTC fire wardens, FDNY 10-House members, and maintenance, elevator, structural and mechanical technicians on many levels in both towers and around the complex.

Number of these people who report massive explosions, or any explosions, before the airplane impacts, besides Willie Rodriguez? Zero.
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Rodriguez doesn't come across as credible to me in many respects. Yes, yes, I know about his rescue stories and all, but his own story has changed so many times that I find myself, in full lawyer mode, saying that if I can't trust the messenger, I can't trust the message.

He keeps adding more and different details to his story years after the fact, and his story just seems to grow with each passing telling from his own lips.

He has for the past couple of years been touting his duplicate explosion story, but that all came after he got a taste of media fame and became the plaintiff in a lawsuit that reads like an incredible delusional alternate universe sort of story.

Going back, though, he initially described the sound as a rumbling like furniture being moved and described a man being burned by a fire shooting down an elevator shaft.

A year later, he is on record as saying that fireballs came down the elevator shafts and burned people, including the man he initially described (presumably David Filipe, but it's hard to know for certain).

He only changed his story to include multiple "explosions" and to add that he heard explosions coming from below, and to add that the elevators appeared to be blown out from below, etc. etc. etc. AFTER he got involved with those suffering from conspiranoia and after he agreed to be a plaintiff in the alternate universe lawsuit mentioned above.

More recently, for instance in the video that some troofy conspiranoid posted a link to a video of him at the troofy conspiranoid conference, his story just gets better and better.

As many have pointed out before, the "truth" doesn't require do-overs. William Rodriguez seems to have been doing multiple do-overs these past five years. And every time he adds further layers of alleged "detail", he undermines himself because the new "facts" don't fit with the old "facts".

From my perspective, sitting back and collecting data on his numerous inconsistent stories, it's like a slow motion train wreck, but combined with another metaphor, which is handing someone enough rope to hang himself.

The guy just doesn't know when to stop embellishing his story, and I predict that his penchant for self-aggrandizement and his desire for fame will be his undoing.
 
AA Flt 11 WTC1

9/11 Commission - 8:46:40 [UTC; updated daily is standard protocol; this time is based upon the LAST PRIMARY RADAR CONTACT- a GIVEN]

Seismic/LDEO - 8:46:29 ± 1 sec [approved by NIST, infers UTC]

10 sec differential



Question: We know the plane hit at 8:46:40, so what was the 8:46:30?
Answer scientifically this time. No more BS or politics.

WHAT CAUSED THE SEISMIC SPIKE AT 8:46:30? [IT CAN'T BE AA Flt 11]
 
quicknthedead said:
AA Flt 11 WTC1

9/11 Commission - 8:46:40 [UTC; updated daily is standard protocol; this time is based upon the LAST PRIMARY RADAR CONTACT- a GIVEN]

Seismic/LDEO - 8:46:29 ± 1 sec [approved by NIST, infers UTC]

10 sec differential



Question: We know the plane hit at 8:46:40, so what was the 8:46:30?
Answer scientifically this time. No more BS or politics.

WHAT CAUSED THE SEISMIC SPIKE AT 8:46:30? [IT CAN'T BE AA Flt 11]
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says 8:46:40 is based ont he last radar contact, what was the time of the last actual radar contact?

as apathoid has pointed out, radar times can be off by at least 4.6 seconds and by as much as 12 seconds, because the tracking is not continuous
 
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