Siesmic Evidence Proves Inside Job?

TruthSeeker1234 said:
The "fireball down the elevator shaft" is far-fetched at best.
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Far-fetched? You might want to tell that to your janitor-friend Willie Rodriguez. Even he's on record stating he smelled kerosene in the sub-levels.

And from what I understand, while there were a handful of elevators that ran non-stop, top to bottom, the exact number is irrelevant. While the elevator cars may have only gone to certain floors, most of the elevator shafts ran the height of the building.

The core of each building would not have been large enough to accomodate separate conduits for each bank of local and express elevators.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
No, the clocks are not incorrect. They are time stamped with UTC. The 12-second sweep time could create a margin of error of +/- 6 seconds, which is still not enough to explain the 17 second discrepancy. However, the data are not based on a single radar, they are based on 5 radars, with independent sweeps. This data is processed through software logic to arrive at accurte event times. The data of impact times comes from FAA, and they are accurate to within 1 second.
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Reposted for Trooofseeker1+2=4. Since he is going to keep repeating himself despite being shown to be 100% wrong, I'll keep repeating myself until he backs up his arguments with evidence...


ETA I did a little reading up on this. The NTSB/Commission impact times are estimates.


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Radar Data Study For All 4 Flights

AA 11 Flight Path Study
UA 175 Flight Path Study

Its obvious they had to "fudge" the numbers, all the clocks were in disagreement including AA77s and UA 93s FDR clocks. The ARTCC Centers arent UTC, they set the time themselves and there were disagreements. The first document I linked also details the sweep times on page 2 and they are indeed 12 seconds.
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realitybites said:
And from what I understand, while there were a handful of elevators that ran non-stop, top to bottom, the exact number is irrelevant. While the elevator cars may have only gone to certain floors, most of the elevator shafts ran the height of the building.

The core of each building would not have been large enough to accomodate separate conduits for each bank of local and express elevators.
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Slightly off topic but since I mentioned in a previous thread (which I cannot locate at the moment), that I was working on finding out in much greater detail about the layout of the elevators at the WTC towers and was waiting for my source to return from vacation and get through 9/11/06 before he and I could go through it in detail, I thought I'd update on that here (especially since the elevators have been raised again and since people like BS1234 consistently get things wrong and never do any actual research to even try to get it right).

The update is that I have now received quite a lot of detailed information from my source and I am currently working on setting it all out in an organized fashion. This week is very busy for me at the office, but I'm working on it as I find the time, and I am hoping that I will be able to complete it and post it on the weekend.

/derail
 
Has truthseeker explained how a silent explosive can generate a siesmic event? How about the siesmic event of the airplane impact 14 seconds after the explosion event?



Or is TS trying to compete with LG for most abandoned threads?
 
uruk said:
Has truthseeker explained how a silent explosive can generate a siesmic event? How about the siesmic event of the airplane impact 14 seconds after the explosion event?
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No and no. He is purposely ignoring these arguments because he knows there is only one explantion for the lack of a pair of spikes........yep, you guessed it - no plane impacts!

So, TS are you a no-planer?
 
No response from TS. I guess he either lost interest or has no answer.
 
I am not a no planer. I think planes went into the twin towers as advertised. I do not know what happened at the Pentagon. If a plane crashed in Shanksville, it must have been shot down.
 
I have heard back from Gordon Ross. He says

Thanks for your e-mail and your encouraging remarks on my articles. I will give a quick reply now and if there are any other points I'll give a fuller response when I return home next week.

The OCT supporters seem to be concentrating on a side issue and not a particularly good one either. It does not matter what the radar sweep time is because of the type of information that it gives. If the aircraft returns a signal when interrogated then it is in the air above the minimum altitude for the radar. If it does not return a signal then it is not in the air above the minimum altitude. The time gap between interrogations or the returned signals cannot alter these facts, whether it is 4 seconds, 12 seconds or 12 weeks. The aircraft were in the air at the times noted by the last radar returns and were not in the air when the next sweep from the same machine should have returned another signal. The exact time when the aircraft became unavailable to radar due to impact or dropping below the minimum level can be narrowed down to between these two points in time and can be specifically ruled out for any and all other times.

Their concentration on this particular point is very revealing. They have failed to raise any argument whatsoever against the evidence presented by Mr Rodriguez and the many other witnesses to basement bombs, Mr. Walsh on the elevator damage or Ms Carr on the existence of two events separated by 9 seconds. For any account to be true it must acknowledge all of the evidence. The official story fails to account for, or even present, all of the evidence and is thus a false account.

The questions must also be asked,

"Why did NIST find it necessary to commission a new report from the LDEO when no question had been raised against the original LDEO analysis in the four years after it was written?"

"Why does the LDEO not show the later report commisioned by NIST?"


Hope this helps. If there are any other points or comments please do not hesitate to call. I will be back middle of next week and will have limited net access till then, but will reply on my return,


Gordon.
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The siesmic info proves an inside job but the seismic proves 19 hijackers from Al Qeida crashed 2 planes into towers 1 & 2 which took damaged the building and the fires weakened the steel causing both towers to collapse.
 
Senor_Pointy said:
It could be the two weeks and 10 threads he's spent convincing us he's a completely dishonest dipstick.
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[FONT=&quot]Sorry, I just ran across your forum tonight and signed up a few minutes ago. My wife may say I'm a dipstick, but you can't, at least not until you get to know me.

So what is the problem you have with this report Gordon and I wrote.
These are all facts.

To summarize:

On September 11, 2001, the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory seismic stations grouped around New York City reported 2 seismic events for the airplanes “impacting” into the World Trade Center Twin Towers. However, these seismic events were not impacts because the airplanes did not hit the Towers until later per the 9/11 Commission Final Report. The 2 seismic events were actually EXPLOSIONS before the planes crashed.

The explosions were experienced by 37 people in the sub-basement structure of 1 World Trade BEFORE THE PLANE HIT THE BUILDING, and damage from these pre-impact explosions was seen and verified by firefighters that morning.

THESE FACTS NOW CORROBORATE THOSE TESTIMONIES.
THIS IS A CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP.


American Airlines Flight 11
Lamont-Doherty seismic time = 8:46:26
9/11 Commission Report time = 8:46:40
14 seconds difference

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I'm sorry quicknthedead, I called Truthseeker1234 a dipstick, not you.
Look through some of the threads he's started, whatever your opinions on 9/11, and you'll see that he has the tendency to ignore every iota of evidence against his statements, no matter the topic.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
If a plane crashed in Shanksville, it must have been shot down.
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Use this forum's search function to find out how wrong you are. Or just look at flight 93's FDR data, which shows the plane going into the ground intact, with all systems functioning normally.
 
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