Shut Up and Get Back In Line!

[bynmdsue]

When did you last hear a Cabinet official tell Americans to stay out of political debates at the risk of losing their businesses?


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_insurance_warning

President Barack Obama’s top health official on Thursday warned the insurance industry that the administration won’t tolerate blaming premium hikes on the new health overhaul law.
“There will be zero tolerance for this type of misinformation and unjustified rate increases,” Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said in a letter to the insurance lobby.
“Simply stated, we will not stand idly by as insurers blame their premium hikes and increased profits on the requirement that they provide consumers with basic protections,” Sebelius said. She warned that bad actors may be excluded from new health insurance markets that will open in 2014 under the law. They’d lose out on a big pool of customers, as many as 30 million people nationwide.

"won't tolerate"? Go **** yourself.

“Unfortunately, there still is a great deal of confusion about what is in [the reform law] and what isn’t,” Sebelius told ABC News Radio in an interview Monday.

With several vulnerable House Democrats touting their votes against the bill, and Republicans running on repeal, Sebelius said “misinformation given on a 24/7 basis” has led to the enduring opposition nearly six months after the lengthy debate ended in Congress.

“So, we have a lot of reeducation to do,” Sebelius said.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/08/sebelius-time-for-reeducation-on-obama-health-care-law.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

She may have to open a camp in order to accommodate all the students.

 

[johnny karate]

Wait... which Americans are being threatened to stay out of political debate?

Because your links only refer to health insurance companies wishing to gouge Americans being kept in check.

 

[XBoxWarrior]

Wait... which Americans are being threatened to stay out of political debate?

Because your links only refer to health insurance companies wishing to gouge Americans being kept in check.

Shhhhhh....you're not supposed to read the articles.

 

[uk_dave]

It may just be my perception, but the OP has seemed to be particularly grumpy and vitriolic these last few days.

Perhaps Obama is doing something right?

 

[SezMe]

When did you last hear a Cabinet official tell Americans to stay out of political debates at the risk of losing their businesses?

There is absolutely nothing in the rest of your post to support this nonsense. Maybe take a cold shower and try again?

 

[leftysergeant]

When did you last hear a Cabinet official tell Americans to stay out of political debates at the risk of losing their businesses?

She was issuing a warning to some rathjer disreputable corporations, not to "Americans."

We are mandated to buy into some sort of health plan. What gives these corporate leaches the right to jack up the prices, lie about why they jacked up the prices, and then to be allowed to participate in the process they tried to screw up? I see no logic in it. You seem to be on board with a lot ot the teabagger aggenda, which includes the opposition to the health care bill because of the mandates. You should at least feel some relief in the fact that your interests are actually being protected after all.

"won't tolerate"? Go **** yourself.

The government is in no way obligated to tolerate fraud.

She may have to open a camp in order to accommodate all the students.

Take a chill pill. Nobody is going to be rounded up for expressing a political opinion unless it involves the opinion that they have a right to assassinate poitical officials.

 

[Tatyana]

When did you last hear a Cabinet official tell Americans to stay out of political debates at the risk of losing their businesses?


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_insurance_warning



"won't tolerate"? Go **** yourself.




http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/08/sebelius-time-for-reeducation-on-obama-health-care-law.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

She may have to open a camp in order to accommodate all the students.

After Anthem Blue Cross sought an increase of as much as 39 percent for some of its California customers who purchase coverage directly, the president made the company into a poster child for insurance problems. California regulators recently approved an increase averaging 14 percent for Anthem customers.

Did we read the same articles?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

She was issuing a warning to some rathjer disreputable corporations, not to "Americans."

We are mandated to buy into some sort of health plan. What gives these corporate leaches the right to jack up the prices, lie about why they jacked up the prices, and then to be allowed to participate in the process they tried to screw up? I see no logic in it. You seem to be on board with a lot ot the teabagger aggenda, which includes the opposition to the health care bill because of the mandates. You should at least feel some relief in the fact that your interests are actually being protected after all.



The government is in no way obligated to tolerate fraud.



Take a chill pill. Nobody is going to be rounded up for expressing a political opinion unless it involves the opinion that they have a right to assassinate poitical officials.

the anticipated problem with it is the fact that insurers can no longer deny coverage to pre-existing conditions, this means theres no incentive to maintain an insurance policy when your healthy, and only purchase insurance when your sick

without the "bread and butter" premiums from healthy people any insurer (public or private) wont be able to pay claims from their clients, and will have to increase rates, or go bankrupt

and the 700 dollar fine for not having insurance is a joke, i pay about 3000 dollars in premiums a year, it would be much cheaper for me to drop my coverage and just pay the fine. the fine can also be 2.5% of your income, but that still wont outweigh the cost of insurance until im earning over 100,000 dollars a year, and im sure people making 6 figures arent the ones you are concerned about having insurance


given that, im sure in the 4 years until the bill comes into force insurance companies will find a way to keep people from abusing the system, and im also sure youll have nothing but bad things to say about them for it

 

[leftysergeant]

Were the snivelling little worms not making record profits right now, I might take their whining seriously.

 

[Tatyana]

the anticipated problem with it is the fact that insurers can no longer deny coverage to pre-existing conditions, this means theres no incentive to maintain an insurance policy when your healthy, and only purchase insurance when your sick

without the "bread and butter" premiums from healthy people any insurer (public or private) wont be able to pay claims from their clients, and will have to increase rates, or go bankrupt

and the 700 dollar fine for not having insurance is a joke, i pay about 3000 dollars in premiums a year, it would be much cheaper for me to drop my coverage and just pay the fine. the fine can also be 2.5% of your income, but that still wont outweigh the cost of insurance until im earning over 100,000 dollars a year, and im sure people making 6 figures arent the ones you are concerned about having insurance


given that, im sure in the 4 years until the bill comes into force insurance companies will find a way to keep people from abusing the system, and im also sure youll have nothing but bad things to say about them for it

Can you purchase medical insurance while you are in hospital recovering from a road traffic accident?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Can you purchase medical insurance while you are in hospital recovering from a road traffic accident?

im just saying what i hear a lot of other people saying, i dont know how well any of it actually works nor do i have any intention of dropping my insurance

 

[Tatyana]

im just saying what i hear a lot of other people saying, i dont know how well any of it actually works nor do i have any intention of dropping my insurance

I am just wondering how it would work.

For example, if I don't have house insurance, but buy buildings insurance after my house has burned down, I don't think I would get any coverage.

Obviously people are not houses, and people do get basic medical treatment in the US right now even without any insurance.

However, even though I am covered for basic health care when I travel in Europe, I still get travel insurance.

There have been a few recent cases of tragic accidents in Europe when people didn't have the insurance to be air lifted back to the UK.

I think that people who stop purchasing health insurance as they think they save money in the short term might find it biting them in the ass in the long term.

 

[Upchurch]

When did you last hear a Cabinet official tell Americans to stay out of political debates at the risk of losing their businesses?


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_insurance_warning



"won't tolerate"? Go **** yourself.




http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/08/sebelius-time-for-reeducation-on-obama-health-care-law.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

She may have to open a camp in order to accommodate all the students.

I see ODS is alive and well.

Did you even read the articles you linked or just go straight to the cherries you picked?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

I am just wondering how it would work.

For example, if I don't have house insurance, but buy buildings insurance after my house has burned down, I don't think I would get any coverage.

Obviously people are not houses, and people do get basic medical treatment in the US right now even without any insurance.

However, even though I am covered for basic health care when I travel in Europe, I still get travel insurance.

There have been a few recent cases of tragic accidents in Europe when people didn't have the insurance to be air lifted back to the UK.

I think that people who stop purchasing health insurance as they think they save money in the short term might find it biting them in the ass in the long term.

well look at it from the position of someone who doesnt have insurance now, either by choice, or because they cant afford it or their employer doesnt offer it, they can either pay 3000/year in premiums, or 700/year in fines, not a hard choice, and in that case if they get hurt and cant get coverage, its no different from where they were before, and any case where they can get coverage is just a bonus

we're just going to have to wait and see how this all works out in practice

 

[Tatyana]

well look at it from the position of someone who doesnt have insurance now, either by choice, or because they cant afford it or their employer doesnt offer it, they can either pay 3000/year in premiums, or 700/year in fines, not a hard choice, and in that case if they get hurt and cant get coverage, its no different from where they were before, and any case where they can get coverage is just a bonus

we're just going to have to wait and see how this all works out in practice

Maybe I am simplifying this too much, but if someone isn't paying anything at all right now, wouldn't $ 700/year be at least some contribution to the health care budget?

 

[manxman]

I am just wondering how it would work.

For example, if I don't have house insurance, but buy buildings insurance after my house has burned down, I don't think I would get any coverage.

Obviously people are not houses, and people do get basic medical treatment in the US right now even without any insurance.

However, even though I am covered for basic health care when I travel in Europe, I still get travel insurance.

There have been a few recent cases of tragic accidents in Europe when people didn't have the insurance to be air lifted back to the UK.

I think that people who stop purchasing health insurance as they think they save money in the short term might find it biting them in the ass in the long term.

Tragic accident victims dont worry about insurance, dead people dont quibble.

 

[WildCat]

Can you purchase medical insurance while you are in hospital recovering from a road traffic accident?

In 2014 you can.

At any rate, I don't know why anyone is surprised that the bill is causing rates to increase. What did they think would happen when office visits and tests must now be given with no deductibles or co-payments from the insured? It's impossible to "insure" against regular office visits, all you can do is pre-pay for them.

 

[manxman]

We dont pay for anything treatment wise here, not for any services, prescriptions, nowt zero zilch.

Manx health service pay all.

 

[fuelair]

When did you last hear a Cabinet official tell Americans to stay out of political debates at the risk of losing their businesses?


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_insurance_warning



"won't tolerate"? Go **** yourself.




http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/08/sebelius-time-for-reeducation-on-obama-health-care-law.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

She may have to open a camp in order to accommodate all the students.

If they are going to lie to cover their foul behavior, I really do not care if they are put out of business. Lying should never be allowed to pass as participation in political discourse. And the statements you complain they would be punished for are blatant lies - since anytiny affects on their profits could be covered by cutting the executive's salaries and other payments in half - and they would still be vastly overpaid.

 

[Beerina]

Wait... which Americans are being threatened to stay out of political debate?

Because your links only refer to health insurance companies wishing to gouge Americans being kept in check.

"We're gonna pinch your balls. Now don't move. Hold still. Hey, why are you squirming!?!? Don't you know we're good people and this is a good thing we're doing? Now just HOLD STILL and let me get the pliers right in there. I SAID STOP SQUIRMING!!!"