Shrien Dewani - Honeymoon murder

He seemed pretty dumb to me. A good businessman, but arrogant and with blind spots - he acted like his wealth insulated him from the real world, to the extent that he was pretty naive. Advice for tourists in SA is always that you don't flash your money around because of the risk of getting mugged. The Dewanis were flaunting it, and it doesn't surprise me that they became a target. I bet Tongo went straight to Mbolombo to let him know he had a potential mark.
 
lonepinealex said:
He seemed pretty dumb to me. A good businessman, but arrogant and with blind spots - he acted like his wealth insulated him from the real world, to the extent that he was pretty naive. Advice for tourists in SA is always that you don't flash your money around because of the risk of getting mugged. The Dewanis were flaunting it, and it doesn't surprise me that they became a target. I bet Tongo went straight to Mbolombo to let him know he had a potential mark.
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One of the things that stood out from his defence statement was his obsessive determination to negotiate everything from taxi fares to helicopter rides. I think it's an Asian thing and I find it annoying when I have clients that do it. I usually have to 'educate' them but it wastes nervous energy better deployed elsewhere.
 
Dewani's lawyer has a difficult job here.

link: https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/26233592/survivor-sons-wounds-were-self-inflicted/

"The injuries suffered by Henri van Breda, the surviving son of the former Perth family who were murdered in their luxurious South African home, were reportedly self-inflicted and he waited four hours before calling emergency services"

and

"Yesterday it emerged that Henri is to be supported by the lawyer who successfully defended a British husband accused of arranging the murder of his wife on their honeymoon.

A spokesman for the family confirmed yesterday that lawyer Pieter Botha - who was part of the legal team for Shrien Dewani - had been hired as part of Henri's legal team.

Mr Dewani, 34, was accused of hiring hit men to kill his wife Anni in Cape Town in South Africa in November 2010, but last year a judge dismissed the charges."

The case looks too obvious for a fresh thread, but must resonate with those who still believe David Bain is guilty of a similar crime.
 
Samson said:
Dewani's lawyer has a difficult job here.

link: https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/26233592/survivor-sons-wounds-were-self-inflicted/

"The injuries suffered by Henri van Breda, the surviving son of the former Perth family who were murdered in their luxurious South African home, were reportedly self-inflicted and he waited four hours before calling emergency services"

and

"Yesterday it emerged that Henri is to be supported by the lawyer who successfully defended a British husband accused of arranging the murder of his wife on their honeymoon.

A spokesman for the family confirmed yesterday that lawyer Pieter Botha - who was part of the legal team for Shrien Dewani - had been hired as part of Henri's legal team.

Mr Dewani, 34, was accused of hiring hit men to kill his wife Anni in Cape Town in South Africa in November 2010, but last year a judge dismissed the charges."

The case looks too obvious for a fresh thread, but must resonate with those who still believe David Bain is guilty of a similar crime.
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That is a great story and should get its own thread IMO. Precedents include Darlie Routier (on death row in Texas for murdering two of her infant sons - innocent IMO) and Jeremy Bamber (serving whole life terms for the murder of his adoptive parents and sister and her two children - very, very murky). They both deserve their own threads too, come to think of it. But in your case we have the wonderfully tantalising possibility that Marli may recover and tell all.
 
Samson said:
Dewani's lawyer has a difficult job here.

link: https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/26233592/survivor-sons-wounds-were-self-inflicted/

"The injuries suffered by Henri van Breda, the surviving son of the former Perth family who were murdered in their luxurious South African home, were reportedly self-inflicted and he waited four hours before calling emergency services"

and

"Yesterday it emerged that Henri is to be supported by the lawyer who successfully defended a British husband accused of arranging the murder of his wife on their honeymoon.

A spokesman for the family confirmed yesterday that lawyer Pieter Botha - who was part of the legal team for Shrien Dewani - had been hired as part of Henri's legal team.

Mr Dewani, 34, was accused of hiring hit men to kill his wife Anni in Cape Town in South Africa in November 2010, but last year a judge dismissed the charges."

The case looks too obvious for a fresh thread, but must resonate with those who still believe David Bain is guilty of a similar crime.
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Looks like an interesting case. If you start a thread, I will cheerfully spout my opinions, we can compile facts and look at similar cases. Bushy haired stranger - true or false? Usually false, occasionally true, always an interesting topic.
 
anglolawyer said:
That is a great story and should get its own thread IMO. Precedents include Darlie Routier (on death row in Texas for murdering two of her infant sons - innocent IMO) and Jeremy Bamber (serving whole life terms for the murder of his adoptive parents and sister and her two children - very, very murky). They both deserve their own threads too, come to think of it. But in your case we have the wonderfully tantalising possibility that Marli may recover and tell all.
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Charlie Wilkes said:
Looks like an interesting case. If you start a thread, I will cheerfully spout my opinions, we can compile facts and look at similar cases. Bushy haired stranger - true or false? Usually false, occasionally true, always an interesting topic.
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I will start a thread on this sub forum soon then, but anyone please beat me to it, I will check first.
As for Mark Lundy retrial, that is turning septic, one more link, and this is clearly ideal for this sub forum and a thread.....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11399418

ETA I am not up to speed, this is explosive re above link.
Also blame anyone who first finds the bodies, especially when there is an obviously staged break in. O M * G
 
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anglolawyer said:
Cool. Time to give up the fags though :)
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You may be a wise ex young smoker. I totally understand. Anyway onto the new thread pending more Anni Dewani family revealing strategy to extract a pound of flesh without blood. ;)
 
Samson said:
You may be a wise ex young smoker. I totally understand. Anyway onto the new thread pending more Anni Dewani family revealing strategy to extract a pound of flesh without blood. ;)
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Anni's father has published a book. I meant to link to the Daily Fail's serialisation. Perforce, he avoids saying he dunnit and majors instead on the deception but for which there would have been no marriage and no murder (IOW he dunnit indirectly). I gathered from what I read that the SA police discovered Shrien's secret, er, hobby and leapt to the conclusion that he must have been involved due to being secretly gay, much like Lane99's theory .

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Breach of Rule 12 excised.
 
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lonepinealex said:
I'm just clutching at straws to keep this thread alive. That story is two weeks old.
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The comments are worth reading, here are a few.

"I hate to admit it, but Dewani is not guilty. The state made a mess and the murders decided in jail to screw Dewani. Thats why on the stand all of the murderers evidence were a blatant lie and the defence picked it up.. African mentality!!!! Decided to blame someone else, meanwhile I have to rot in jail... Or the incompetant police and state attorney just screw it up! You can blame the judge, she makes decisions on evidence and presebtations. She clearly saw the desperation but incompetant states case.. No sympathy!!"

"Rubbish Prins! Pure logic supports Dewani's guilt! Our system has failed Anni and I am appalled! There were enough facts and evidence to prove Dewani's guilt. For an "innocent" man, Dewani fought desperately to not be extradited, he knew he was guilty. More should have been done to ensure his conviction!"

"No offence to anyone but how come the black dudes involved r locked up and drwani gets off scott free. Never bn able to understand that. And the person that questioned this whole dewani scenario is now labelled as if he is a criminal ??"
 
LOL.

Lonepinealex, the thread might revive if and when one or other family launches civil proceedings. It was a very enjoyable discussion with some good stuff from both sides. I actually think all Dewani's dreams came true at the trial and he drew a very favourable judge out of the hat, if not an actually biased one. But the prosecution's fixation on the German Master left me thinking the whole case resulted from the discovery of his, er, pastime and the false deduction that he must therefore have married her against his will.

In the extradition proceedings, when he was ordered to be extradited and sought judicial review of that decision, one of his grounds was abuse of process. He alleged that SA had threatened to expose his deviant practises if he opposed extradition. That ground was rejected and not revived but I have no doubt it was true. It gives an idea of how large that point played in the prosecutors' minds.

One thing that bothered me was the BBC doc which had some CCTV footage of Mbolombo telling (probably) Qwabe 'this guy is in a hurry' or some such. I have not been able to make sense of that, unless he and Tongo were peddling some story to Qwabe and Mngeni - but why would they do that?
 
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It would be good to have seen the full, unedited recordings of that CCTV footage. There must be a lot of recorded context that we didn't see in the doc.
 
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