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Showdown in Washington, D.C.

Lurker said:
"working through the math" makes it sound like an arduous struggle solving a series of intractable partial differential equations to arrive at his answer. He multiplied and divided numbers. Showing his work merits a polite golf clap in acknowledgment but I guess that sort of effort is in short supply these days so it is surprising to see it.
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Any admission of error or even the appearance of error by BAC concerning a topic like this, much less an acknowledgment of accuracy by such a hated source is more than merely surprising.

I want to join in expressing my respect to BAC for his concession. I can only imagine how difficult it was for him.

... and I mean this without any element of irony or sarcasm.

Good for you, BeAChooser.
 
mhaze said:
Thanks. That's exactly what I have been trying to indicate. Somewhat appalling, actually...
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No it isn't. BAC did the work and showed it, several times, without whining about 'doing other people's work'. You haven't done any work that we can see, you just pulled numbers out of your arse.
 
Cicero said:
Apparently? You interviewed all the people at the rally and concluded there was not one? There are certainly no Atheists or Agnostics that watch Albert Pujols play.

http://backporch.fanhouse.com/2010/...-honored-with-hope-award-at-glenn-beck-rally/
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Cicero, this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and your blind support of anybody on the political right is going to back fire in the end. There is a damn good reason why with the exceptions of Palin and Bachmann,(both of whom will do just about anything for publicity) The GOP pretty much ignored the rally. They see Beck as either crazy,an opportunist, or both.
 
dudalb said:
Cicero, this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and your blind support of anybody on the political right is going to back fire in the end. There is a damn good reason why with the exceptions of Palin and Bachmann,(both of whom will do just about anything for publicity) The GOP pretty much ignored the rally. They see Beck as either crazy,an opportunist, or both.
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It's much more likely that the reason the GOP pretty much ignored the rally is because they HEARD Beck when he repeatedly said the rally was non political.

Unlike the clueless buffoons of the left following mindless spinmeisters taking orders from starry eyed drone bugs of Soros.
 
quadraginta said:
Any admission of error or even the appearance of error by BAC concerning a topic like this, much less an acknowledgment of accuracy by such a hated source is more than merely surprising.

I want to join in expressing my respect to BAC for his concession. I can only imagine how difficult it was for him.

... and I mean this without any element of irony or sarcasm.

Good for you, BeAChooser.
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Indeed. Jolly good of you BaC.

See the post from yesterday that has airphotoslive pics of the event for Hi res.
 
dudalb said:
Cicero, this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and your blind support of anybody on the political right is going to back fire in the end. There is a damn good reason why with the exceptions of Palin and Bachmann,(both of whom will do just about anything for publicity) The GOP pretty much ignored the rally. They see Beck as either crazy,an opportunist, or both.
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What about the leader of the Democratic Party? POTUS Obama may have "ignored" the rally, but he certainly has taken notice of Glenn Beck. Why would the POTUS even mention a guy who is supposedly "crazy, an opportunist, or both?"


"Well, I have to say, I – I did not watch the rally. I think that one of the wonderful things about this country is that at any given moment any group of people can decide, you know, ‘We want to – our voices heard.’ And so, I think that Mr. Beck and the rest of those folks were exercising their rights under our Constitution exactly as they should. … [G]iven all those anxieties – and given the fact that, you know, in none of these situations are you going to be fix things overnight. It’s not surprising that somebody like a Mr. Beck is able to stir up a certain portion of the country. That’s been true throughout our history."


Are you equally sure there were no Democrats at the rally as well as no "Atheists or Agnostics ?"


Glenn Beck rally: A warning to Obama and Democrats?

There may have been some Democrats at the Glenn Beck rally Saturday, but even many of them aren't happy with the country's direction. Does the large turnout portend trouble for Democrats?

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0829/Glenn-Beck-rally-A-warning-to-Obama-and-Democrats
 
Biscuit said:
See the post from yesterday that has airphotoslive pics of the event for Hi res.
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Thanks. I loaded the software to let me look at them and they do confirm the opinion of CBS' experts. They did a good job of photographing the event and I hope they will do this sort of photography at all future events in which numbers might be of interest. It will go a long way towards resolving these debates about numbers once and for all. As I demonstrated, then even someone like me can take such images and come up with reasonable estimates. ;)
 
Cicero said:
What about the leader of the Democratic Party? POTUS Obama may have "ignored" the rally, but he certainly has taken notice of Glenn Beck. Why would the POTUS even mention a guy who is supposedly "crazy, an opportunist, or both?"
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Wow, you are amazing!

Why did he mention Glenn Beck? Because Brian Williams asked him about Beck during an interview.

You think he just put out a press release with that?
 
mhaze said:
Thanks. That's exactly what I have been trying to indicate. Somewhat appalling, actually...
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Actually, I think we're all fully capable of performing the calculations ourselves. That isn't the issue - we don't want you to do the work for us. We'd just like you to actually justify the results of your own calculations (or estimation) by showing us the work you did and laying out your assumptions. You know, kind of like a little thing called peer-review.

Duh :rolleyes:
 
Cicero said:
What did you calculate would be the most number of people that could fit in that area?
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I didn't do such a calculation but first order, if people were standing shoulder to shoulder (2.5 sf / person) over roughly the same area (2029 X 800 sf) ... I'd say about 600,000. But looking at the photos, I have to agree that clearly the crowd wasn't anywhere near that dense over the vast majority of that area.
 
BeAChooser said:
I didn't do such a calculation but first order, if people were standing shoulder to shoulder (2.5 sf / person) over roughly the same area (2029 X 800 sf) ... I'd say about 600,000. But looking at the photos, I have to agree that clearly the crowd wasn't anywhere near that dense over the vast majority of that area.
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OK. It appears that under the trees the crowd was fairly dense.

crowdundertrees.jpg



"But If the entire 38-acre rally area was completely full of people standing at a uniform density, loose crowd density means 165,500 people (4356 x 38) were there. A dense crowd would be 367,840 people (9,680 x 38). Jammed into mosh-pit togetherness, you could squeeze 662,112 people into the rally area (17,424 x 38)." Tsu Dho Nimh
 
Cicero said:
OK. It appears that under the trees the crowd was fairly dense.

[qimg]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/Polythemus/crowdundertrees.jpg[/qimg]


"But If the entire 38-acre rally area was completely full of people standing at a uniform density, loose crowd density means 165,500 people (4356 x 38) were there. A dense crowd would be 367,840 people (9,680 x 38). Jammed into mosh-pit togetherness, you could squeeze 662,112 people into the rally area (17,424 x 38)." Tsu Dho Nimh
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In that one small area. Did you even look at the pictures of the entire event?
 
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