Showdown in Washington, D.C.

[elbe]

I think your assumption of being a dense crowd is incorrect. That far end is very sparse and I'm not sure many people would be under the trees. You can't see anything in there.
Maybe 100,000 people, which is close to the upper range of the CBS number.

To me the north side trees looked sparse, but there were probably more under the south side treeline. But either way, the crowd thins dramatically from the west end of the reflecting pool (where it's dense) to the east (where you can easily see grass).

 

[Lurker]

Then you've a big problem because I suspect they do.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...now-they_ve-been-conned-639878-101758743.html



And just wait till November when the voice of the 70% is finally heard.

Your link is to an OP_ED. I'm not sure where they got this 70% figure from but I doubt 70% of Americans agree with Beck. Heck, I'd be willing to bet that at least 80% of blacks do NOT agree with Beck. Blacks make up 12.4% of the population so 0.8*12.4=10%. So 10% of the population disagrees with Beck right there.

It seems a fairly large proportion of Hispanics disagree with Beck due to his positions on immigration. Let's make that at least 50% of Hispanics disagree with Beck. Since Hispanics make up 15.4% of the population that gives us 8% more Americans that disagree with Beck.

So that means that to get 70% of Americans agree with Beck we would have to have have 70/(100-10-8) 85% of the non-hispanic whites (ignoring other races for the moment) agreeing with him. Considering that would have to include an incredible amount of liberals and Democrats do you really think that is plausible?

 

[Cicero]

Because nobody cares about Sharpton's rally. Well, nobody except you, anyway. I didn't know you were such a fan.

Then why are you posting in a thread entitled "Showdown in Washington, D.C. ? Did you read this? What do you suppose "showdown" means?

"Rev. Al Sharpton, president of the National Action Network -- which is also planning a large march that day that ends in the same spot -- has called Beck's event an "outright attempt to flip the imagery of Dr. King." Sharpton said Beck is "circumventing him and distorting him."


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/glenn-becks-planned-rally-runs-trouble-civil-rights/story?id=11440553

 

[BeAChooser]

That far end is very sparse and I'm not sure many people would be under the trees. You can't see anything in there.

You really didn't bother to look at the many photos, did you?

 

[Cleon]

Then why are you posting in a thread entitled "Showdown in Washington, D.C. ?

To piss you off.

Now, the question you have refused to answer multiple times now: Can you point to any flaws in the methodology APL used, or not?

 

[dudalb]

I would bet a year's salary on one thing:25 years from now MKL's speech will be a defining moment in American History, and only historians specializing in early 21st century America will know who the hell Glenn Beck is.

 

[Biscuit]

You really didn't bother to look at the many photos, did you?

I am certain that at least two experts in the field of crowd estimation via aerial photography forgot that people can stand under trees. There was an additional 100K plus people under the trees all along.

 

[The Charnel Expanse]

Oh, by the way, in case this continues to be a point of contention, here's the definition of "controversy"

con·tro·ver·sy
   /ˈkɒntrəˌvɜrsi; Brit. also kənˈtrɒvərsi/ Show Spelled[kon-truh-vur-see; Brit. also kuhn-trov-er-see] Show IPA
–noun, plural -sies.
1.
a prolonged public dispute, debate, or contention; disputation concerning a matter of opinion.
2.
contention, strife, or argument

 

[Cicero]

To piss you off.

That's as good an excuse as you have ever crafted.

Now, the question you have refused to answer multiple times now: Can you point to any flaws in the methodology APL used, or not?

The media agreed on the 100,000 attendance number at Obama St. Louis rally in October, 2008 as confirmed by his campaign.

Where was CBS and Steve Doig to confirm or deny this figure? Surely this gathering does not appear larger than Beck's?

 

[Cleon]

The media agreed on the 100,000 attendance number at Obama St. Louis rally in October, 2008 as confirmed by his campaign.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/Polythemus/ObamacrowdinStlouis.jpg


Where was CBS and Steve Doig to confirm or deny this figure?

You ask that as though it has some sort of relevance to the issue at hand. It doesn't.

Surely this gathering does not appear larger than Beck's?

Appearances can be deceiving. That's why we have systematic analysis and study.

Now, once more, with feeling - Can you point to any flaws in the methodology APL used, or not?

 

[mhaze]

I would bet a year's salary on one thing:25 years from now MKL's speech will be a defining moment in American History, and only historians specializing in early 21st century America will know who the hell Glenn Beck is.

I can assure you that now, in the past, or in 25 years there is not, was not, and will not be any defining moment in American History known as an "MKL Speech".

You've already lost your bet.

Without our having to examine the second condition of your assertion.

Cheers!

 

[Ladewig]

What did Beck say at the rally that was "controversial?"

So you are really going to assume the stance that a person who has said that the first black president is racist against white people and is literally standing in the footsteps of MLK on the anniversary of his "I have a Dream" speech is not a controversial event.

We have Beck, who claimed that his followers would "reclaim the civil rights movement" and "pick up Martin Luther King's dream" and we have King, who advocated an economic bill of rights which would guarantee everyone a job training and a job.

Beck: "Progressivism is disease in America. Progressivism is the cancer in America and it is eating our Constitution!"

King: The federal government should institute a compensatory program of US$50 billion over ten years to disadvantaged groups of all races.

Is this the issue you want to fall on your sword for? The idea that there was nothing controversial about the event.

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ETA: Oh and by the way: One Million People. You have yet to say how this number is useful, reasonable, or accurate in any way despite your posts saying that there were between 500,000 and 2,000,000 people.

 

[dudalb]

BTW, Glenn, can you make up your mind as to whether you are leader of a Spiritual movement that will save America, or are you a "Media Clown" as you have proclaimed yourself. You can't have it both ways......

 

[Denver]

I missed the final outcome.

If this was a showdown, who won?

 

[dudalb]

I can assure you that now, in the past, or in 25 years there is not, was not, and will not be any defining moment in American History known as an "MKL Speech".

You've already lost your bet.

Without our having to examine the second condition of your assertion.

Cheers!

BS. The I Have a Dream Speech is a defining moment. Except for maybe the Gettysburg address and the Second Inaugual speeches of Lincoln, it is the best known speech in American History.
Or do you have something against the Civil Rights Movement?

 

[Cleon]

BS. The I Have a Dream Speech is a defining moment. Except for maybe the Gettysburg address and the Second Inaugual speeches of Lincoln, it is the best known speech in American History.
Or do you have something against the Civil Rights Movement?

He's making fun of your "MKL" typo.

 

[The Charnel Expanse]

BS. The I Have a Dream Speech is a defining moment. Except for maybe the Gettysburg address and the Second Inaugual speeches of Lincoln, it is the best known speech in American History.
Or do you have something against the Civil Rights Movement?

Pssst... I think he's just being blithely pedantic over your typo.

 

[Cleon]

I missed the final outcome.

If this was a showdown, who won?

Dunno who won, but we all lost.

 

[The Charnel Expanse]

I missed the final outcome.

If this was a showdown, who won?

The unscrupulous attention whore within us all.

 

[Biscuit]

That's as good an excuse as you have ever crafted.



The media agreed on the 100,000 attendance number at Obama St. Louis rally in October, 2008 as confirmed by his campaign.

[qimg]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/Polythemus/ObamacrowdinStlouis.jpg[/qimg]


Where was CBS and Steve Doig to confirm or deny this figure? Surely this gathering does not appear larger than Beck's?

Are you really turning this into a "his looks bigger than his" argument? Thats a rational and scientific approach to the problem.

So do you have a methodology for supporting the claims of several hundred thousand?