Should we try Tsarnaev in the USA?

That would be fine as long as an inserted thermometer shows his internal temperature is at least 165 F degrees. Otherwise, illness may occur.
 
Jodie said:
I think Russia would do a better job of knocking some sense into him for a quick reality check. He might realize he had it good here after all.
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Why would Russia, or any other state, take him in?

"Here's an accused murderer and terrorist. He doesn't speak the language and his political views are not sympathetic to your state's, but an ancestor of his was born there so we figure that you should deal with him, rather than the country where he committed the offense or was a citizen."

Why would I need to cite a reference for a personal opinion? Is it a rule? Then I suppose I broke the rule.
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Time for exile and or summary field execution then. No need for a trial - you confessed.

I think Ariel deserves sentencing immediately bypassing trial. If he happens to be in a state where the death penalty is allowed, then by all means put him in the electric chair tomorrow or strap him down for his lethal injection.
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You are consistent in your contempt for the US Constitution, I'll give you that. But I believe that said law extends its protection to all people, not just those people whose crimes you feel outraged about.
 
Border Reiver said:
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Time for exile and or summary field execution then. No need for a trial - you confessed.
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Do we want someone like say Jeanine Pirro to have the power to execute people so long as she can produce what appears to be a valid confession? **

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**ETA- If Jeanine Pirro did have that power, what would be the life expectancy of her ex-husband? :D
 
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ZirconBlue said:
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was born in Kyrgyzstan, not Russia.
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Kyrgyzstan was part of the Soviet Union until 1991. His father Anzor is Chechen and his family was exiled to Kyrgyzstan during WWII by Stalin. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was born in Kyrgyzstan in 1993. Several years later his family moved to Russia.

Anzor Tsarnaev and Dzhokhar first came to the United States legally in April 2002 on 90-day tourist visas. His father then applied for political asylum for himself and Dzhokhar, claiming he feared deadly persecution based on his ties to Chechnya.

This is what angered many people. The United States gave him and his family asylum based on their claim they would face persecution from Russian authorities. It was granted which meant the Tsarnaevs got to "jump the line" so to speak.

If Dzhokhar and Tamerlane Tsarnaev came to believe the US was oppressing Muslims, okay. Why not just emigrate to a Muslim country? Why kill people gathered to watch the Boston Marathon?
 
Border Reiver said:
Why would Russia, or any other state, take him in?

"Here's an accused murderer and terrorist. He doesn't speak the language and his political views are not sympathetic to your state's, but an ancestor of his was born there so we figure that you should deal with him, rather than the country where he committed the offense or was a citizen."



Time for exile and or summary field execution then. No need for a trial - you confessed.



You are consistent in your contempt for the US Constitution, I'll give you that. But I believe that said law extends its protection to all people, not just those people whose crimes you feel outraged about.
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My understanding is that he was born in Russia and moved here at age 6.

Yes, if the evidence backs up the confession, then go straight to execution or exile in this particular case.

My contempt lies in the distortion of the system. I have no fear that all the I's and T's will get dotted and crossed in this situation, unlike many other less noteworthy cases.
 
newyorkguy said:
You'd be willing to see him go to the Middle East even if it meant he went scot-free for the Boston Marathon Bombing? Even if it meant he went from facing life-without-parole or the death penalty to being treated as a hero?
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No, I think he should be returned to his country of origin. I seriously doubt he would be allowed into the middle east since his family has been under surveillance for suspected terrorist activity in Russia. It would be a matter of time before they found a reason to incarcerate him in Siberia.
 
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Babbylonian said:
At least you're consistent in your hatred of the US and its Constitution. Ya know, you might be exactly what a radical terrorist group is looking for...
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LOLOL......I think you are the one that is the better candidate given your lack of tolerance for an opposing view point. People living in glass houses should never throw stones. :)
 
newyorkguy said:
Do we want someone like say Jeanine Pirro to have the power to execute people so long as she can produce what appears to be a valid confession? **

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**ETA- If Jeanine Pirro did have that power, what would be the life expectancy of her ex-husband? :D
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If the confession is valid, valid being the key descriptor here, then what is the problem?
 
ZirconBlue said:
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was born in Kyrgyzstan, not Russia.
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It was part of the Soviet Union a few years before he was born and is now a member of the Commonwealth of Independent States that made up the old Soviet Union, known as Russia in a general sense.
 
newyorkguy said:
If Dzhokhar and Tamerlane Tsarnaev came to believe the US was oppressing Muslims, okay. Why not just emigrate to a Muslim country? Why kill people gathered to watch the Boston Marathon?
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Exactly, send him back to Russia because of the so called threat of persecution and let him take his chances.
 
Jodie said:
My understanding is that he was born in Russia and moved here at age 6.

Yes, if the evidence backs up the confession, then go straight to execution or exile in this particular case.
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Well, that pesky constitution keeps getting in your way doesn't it?
 
Jodie said:
LOLOL......I think you are the one that is the better candidate given your lack of tolerance for an opposing view point. People living in glass houses should never throw stones. :)
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It's not that you're expressing your opinion, it's just that your opinion is so ********** up, it is almost mind boggling. THAT is the problem. Residence matters none.
 
Jodie said:
If the confession is valid, valid being the key descriptor here, then what is the problem?
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The problem? Who decides whether the confession is valid? Therein lies the rub, as they used to say.

(Btw, Jeanine Pirro was the District Attorney in the county where I live. There's been some innocent people who have been let out of prison, people who were convicted back when Mrs. Pirro was still prosecutor. I'm sure at the time she believed they were guilty...only she had a lot of irons in the fire. Might've clouded her judgement a bit. She's been accused of 'believing what she needed to believe.')
 
Jodie said:
LOLOL......I think you are the one that is the better candidate given your lack of tolerance for an opposing view point. People living in glass houses should never throw stones. :)
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The "I'm rubber, you're glue" defense? Not very well played at all I'm afraid, given that I haven't called for your exile or imprisonment without trial...
 
She found it right below the one that says that if you confess, we can just skip the whole court thing....
 
Jodie said:
My contempt lies in the distortion of the system. I have no fear that all the I's and T's will get dotted and crossed in this situation, unlike many other less noteworthy cases.
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So... your logic is "The system is unfair in some cases therefore let's make it unfair in this one too."

Violating Tsarnaev's rights won't make the system better for anyone else, so why do you think referring to the general inconsistency of the US justice system as a justification for your rather extreme views?
 
Jodie said:
It was part of the Soviet Union a few years before he was born and is now a member of the Commonwealth of Independent States that made up the old Soviet Union, known as Russia in a general sense.
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No. Kyrgyzstan was never part of "Russia". And it was not even part of the USSR during Tsarnaev's lifetime. The Commonwealth of Independent States is a loose association of independent nations. I'm sorry, but if you want to deport him to his country of birth, you will have to send him to Kyrgyzstan, not Russia.

Not that I think it makes any sense whatsoever to deport a US Citizen who has been in the US since he was a young child.
 
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