Should we repeal the 2nd Amendment?

[PitPat]

You posted about banning assault weapons. That's not the same as getting rid of them.

Not actually a bad point. If they did, legislation would probably work in a grandfather clause that says if you already have one, it's okay. Don't have to turn them in -- and there are already a lot of them out there.

 

[acbytesla]

Not sure where you're getting your information. A national referendum on repealing the 2nd Amendment would not even get close to passing.

A substantial majority of Americans believe there should be tougher gun laws. But such laws are prohibited by the conservative courts interpretation of the Second Amendment.

I am confident that if there was a National Referendum on repealing the unlimited right to own firearms, it would pass. It wouldn't even be close.

 

[theprestige]

A substantial majority of Americans believe there should be tougher gun laws. But such laws are prohibited by the conservative courts interpretation of the Second Amendment.

I am confident that if there was a National Referendum on repealing the unlimited right to own firearms, it would pass. It wouldn't even be close.

I am confident that very few people would vote to end their right to firearms on the strength of your vague and unaccountable promise that their purchase and possession of firearms would be respected and preserved once the right was removed.

 

[PitPat]

A substantial majority of Americans believe there should be tougher gun laws. But such laws are prohibited by the conservative courts interpretation of the Second Amendment.

I am confident that if there was a National Referendum on repealing the unlimited right to own firearms, it would pass. It wouldn't even be close.

Well I think that's incorrect. It requires two-thirds of Congress and three-quarters of states. There's not enough political wherewithal to even to put it to the test.

 

[acbytesla]

I am confident that very few people would vote to end their right to firearms on the strength of your vague and unaccountable promise that their purchase and possession of firearms would be respected and preserved once the right was removed.

We have a difference of opinion.

It certainly wouldn't pass in the town I live in now. They are nuts about guns in this town. There are twelve churches, a creation museum, 3 firing ranges, two gun stores, one high school where 4 students have committed suicide by guns in the last 3 years. And a run down one room public library that open only three days a week.

But in urban and suburban America, it would be revoked easily.

 

[theprestige]

Well I think that's incorrect. It requires two-thirds of Congress and three-quarters of states. There's not enough political wherewithal to even to put it to the test.

Well I think you've badly misunderstood the difference between the current amendment process and the alternative referendum process that acbt is offering in contrast.

 

[theprestige]

We have a difference of opinion.

It certainly wouldn't pass in the town I live in now. They are nuts about guns in this town. There are twelve churches, a creation museum, 3 firing ranges, two gun stores, one high school where 4 students have committed suicide by guns in the last 3 years. And a run down one room public library that open only three days a week.

But in urban and suburban America, it would be revoked easily.

I'll stipulate that you know something about your hometown.

I won't stipulate that you know anything at all about the rest of the country.

 

[acbytesla]

Well I think that's incorrect. It requires two-thirds of Congress and three-quarters of states. There's not enough political wherewithal to even to put it to the test.

I fully understand the process for passing a Constitutional Amendment. I specifically said, if there was National Referendum.

 

[PitPat]

Well I think you've badly misunderstood the difference between the current amendment process and the alternative referendum process that acbt is offering in contrast.

Active Cycle of Breathing Technique? The 2A is not going to be repealed in our lifetimes, and perhaps two or three generations after that.

 

[PitPat]

I fully understand the process for passing a Constitutional Amendment. I specifically said, if there was National Referendum.

And I specifically said, it would not happen now.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Assault weapons and related modifications should be banned.

I don’t know how anyone can argue against that.

 

[acbytesla]

I'll stipulate that you know something about your hometown.

I won't stipulate that you know anything at all about the rest of the country.

It's not my hometown. It is the small town I live in now. I have lived in NYC, San Francisco, Newberg, Sacramento, LA, Houston, Vancouver, Seattle, Wisconsin, Iowa and a smattering of small towns.

But regardless of where I have lived, it would not be informative on how the entire country would vote. I feel confident that if there were National Referendums on Choice and repealing the Second Amendment, both would pass easily.

 

[acbytesla]

And I specifically said, it would not happen now.

I never disagreed with that. Passing a meaningful Amendment to the Constitution hasn't happened since the repeal of Prohibition.

 

[PitPat]

I'm certainly not. I'd like to get rid of them once and for all. And if you really want to kill somebody, use a knife or asphyxiate. Which I think makes it harder because it's kind of a little closer up, whereas a gun is you just shoot a lot of times from a short distance and run away.

Perhaps not a great solution, but there would be way fewer murders.

 

[acbytesla]

I'm certainly not. I'd like to get rid of them once and for all. And if you really want to kill somebody, use a knife or asphyxiate. Which I think makes it harder because it's kind of a little closer up, whereas a gun is you just shoot a lot of times from a short distance and run away.

Perhaps not a great solution, but there would be way fewer murders.

I don't want to eliminate firearms. I just don't believe every citizen is entitled to own any kind of firearm. I think children should be prohibited from owning firearms. I think felons and the mentally ill should be prohibited from owning firearms.

I don't think people should be able to have military grade semiautomatic or automatic firearms. But I grew up hunting. You should be able to have a 30-06 bolt action.

I'm in favor of common sense regulations. The problem with the Second Amendment is that it gets in the way of responsible gun ownership and opens the door to every nut job possessing one.

 

[PitPat]

I don't want to eliminate firearms. I just don't believe every citizen is entitled to own any kind of firearm. I think children should be prohibited from owning firearms. I think felons and the mentally ill should be prohibited from owning firearms.

I don't think people should be able to have military grade semiautomatic or automatic firearms. But I grew up hunting. You should be able to have a 30-06 bolt action.

I'm in favor of common sense regulations. The problem with the Second Amendment is that it gets in the way of responsible gun ownership and opens the door to every nut job possessing one.

Yeah, but doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose? Unless Alaska or Montana where you need one for protection against wild animals when you go roaming around in the wilderness.

Like other European and other countries, you can still get a gun license, but you have to prove you need one. That really doesn't happen here.

 

[arthwollipot]

Yeah, but doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose? Unless Alaska or Montana where you need one for protection against wild animals when you go roaming around in the wilderness.

Like other European and other countries, you can still get a gun license, but you have to prove you need one. That really doesn't happen here.

"Because I think I might need to shoot someone some day" is all the proof required. I've had American gun owners get extremely offended at the mere thought of asking them why they want a gun.

 

[PitPat]

"Because I think I might need to shoot someone some day" is all the proof required. I've had American gun owners get extremely offended at the mere thought of asking them why they want a gun.

I said that one, and I had to wait for a check. And guess what? Got one, and I'm totally sane.

I actually do have a gun I inherited from my dad after he died (found at the bottom of toolbox in the garage).

It was his old army issue gun from from his time in the army. It's a 1920 pistol that probably hasn't been fired since the 50's (no bullets). Not sure what to do with it, probably just wait a little longer because I think it's antique manufactured in 1919.

 

[Trausti]

"Because I think I might need to shoot someone some day" is all the proof required. I've had American gun owners get extremely offended at the mere thought of asking them why they want a gun.

Why should you have to justify your rights to anyone?

 

[jt512]

If the US had a National Referendum on repealing the 2nd Amendment, it would pass easily.

How do you figure? 44% of Americans have a gun in their home. Presumably few of these people would want the 2nd Amendment to be repealed. How many of the rest do you think would actually oppose the 2nd Amendment?