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Should we repeal the 2nd Amendment?

Repeal the 2nd Amendment?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 31.0%

  • No

    Votes: 20 28.2%

  • No, amend it to make possession of a gun VERY difficult with tons of background checks and psych eva

    Votes: 25 35.2%

  • I can be agent M

    Votes: 4 5.6%
  • Total voters
    71
Hercules56 said:
So you're saying you either don't feeling like making the effort to actually support your claim or you fear any evidence you provide will not actually support the claim you have made.

Got it.
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Again, slowly: yes, I don't feel like making the effort, because you will change the subject or vanish when things stop going your way. Been there, done that.

The topic, if you recall (ironic because you started the thread), is whether we should repeal 2A. You followed with an outright lie that people think they shouldn't be able to defend themselves (speaking of presenting evidence, you never did so on that point, even when challenged). You.... surprise, surprise... changed the subject.
 
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Thermal said:
I challenged your assertion in post #15 about people thinking we don't have the right to defend ourselves. You have yet to respond.

Yeah, tried you.
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You didn't ask me any questions. You didn't make it clear you wanted a response.

Anyways, if you support your claim about mass-shootings in UK and Australia i wont disregard it like you fear I will.

Ball's in your court.
 
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Hercules56 said:
You didn't ask me any questions. You didn't make it clear you wanted a response.
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Seriously man? What did you think saying I don't think that's true, while quoting you, when only you said it was true, would mean?

Anyways,
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And here we go changing the subject again.

if you support your claim about mass-shootings in UK and Australia i wont disregard it like you fear I will.

Ball's in your court.
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As I keep saying, no, I'm not interested, and it certainly isn't worth the time. I've already cleared up what I meant, and more to the point, you've ignored everything I've been saying to focus on an irrelevant point.

Your own OP focuses on whether or not we should repeal 2A. I don't think it needs to be repealed, but does need to be restricted based on legitimate use. So what do you think about the earlier list I posted? Does it satisfy the needs of both sides without repealing?
 
Thermal said:
Because we both know exactly what you're going to do. You've done it before, bro. I'm really not into endless Goundhog Day repetition.

You want lots of guns, in the only first world country that has 5 digit gun deaths annually.

The dead kids at Sandy Hook are more than enough for me to agree that we don't need easy public access to weapons designed to kill humans. I love me some guns, but I hate me some bullet ridden corpses of children. One of them far eclipses the other.

Eta: I'll concede that we have always had more mass shootings and continue to have them, while Oz and the UK never really had the volume of mass shootings that we do. I actually meant to say school shootings, where the number is zero for both countries I mentioned since Port Arthur and Dunblane. We have more school shootings each and every year, although zero is not a tough number to beat.
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Gotcha.

Moving goalposts from mass-shootings to school shootings.
 
Hercules56 said:
Gotcha.

Moving goalposts from mass-shootings to school shootings.
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Again, no. What in the world are you reading? I'm in favor of restricting easy gun buying, mostly to stop things like school shootings. I've said that clearly. This thread, as you have already complained about, has a topic, which is neither mass shootings or school shootings.

Shall I repeat my on topic questions for you a third time, or do you insist on talking about anything else you can think of?
 
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Kind of a huge jump between 2011 and 2012, if that's the latest data. It shows a 100% gun death rate until about 1992. Not a great chart. Is there anybody still alive there?
 
PitPat said:
Kind of a huge jump between 2011 and 2012, if that's the latest data.
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Actually, the trend suggests 2011 was a really good year overall.
It shows a 100% gun death rate until about 1992. Not a great chart. Is there anybody still alive there?
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You can't read? It's a percentage of the rate per 100,000 in 1990 (in the heading). So our rate has dropped to about 25% of what it was then.
 
Yeah I know, just a dumb joke. I wish we could pass those laws too, but it won't happen in my lifetime.
 
Thermal said:
Again, slowly: yes, I don't feel like making the effort, because you will change the subject or vanish when things stop going your way. Been there, done that.
The topic, if you recall (ironic because you started the thread), is whether we should repeal 2A. You followed with an outright lie that people think they shouldn't be able to defend themselves (speaking of presenting evidence, you never did so on that point, even when challenged). You.... surprise, surprise... changed the subject.
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Don't forget the repeated strawmanning and misrepresentation of what is said.

Sometimes you just need to

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theprestige said:
That graph makes it look like Port Arthur was an outlier, and that the overall trend would have been about the same even without the new gun laws.
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It was indeed an outlier. Because we have so few gun deaths at all, that one incident alone accounts for the approx 5% jump in rate for that year. And the increased national gun-control laws caused a nearly 30% drop in rate over the next two years.
 
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