Should we repeal the 2nd Amendment?

[Thermal]

I think we could actually do with repealing a bunch of amendments. Like, the very next one, the 3rd, no quartering of soldiers. What kind of hospitality is that? Then there's stuff about no alcohol, and a "jk alcohol!" I mean, just erase them both. What this country really needs is a little paperwork reduction.

 

[Stacyhs]

I think we could actually do with repealing a bunch of amendments. Like, the very next one, the 3rd, no quartering of soldiers. What kind of hospitality is that? Then there's stuff about no alcohol, and a "jk alcohol!" I mean, just erase them both. What this country really needs is a little paperwork reduction.

Oh, I dunno. I would have been all over having a cute soldier boy being quartered with us when I was in high school! Always loved a man in uniform.

 

[dudalb]

The founders also didn't consider that technology would evolve beyond a one shot -20 seconds to reload and fire again mechanism to having fully automatic weapons with large magazines, high velocity rounds and body armor. I own guns and I have no problem having them registered, and that people must have training before they buy one, and that those with mental problems/criminal backgrounds, be prohibited from gaining the military style weapons.

I agree.
I would go a bit further and question why anybody outside the military and law enforcement should have modern automatic Military weapons.
And I am a gun owner..but the most modern thing I won is a replica M2 Garand.

 

[dudalb]

Ral Problem is the extremists on both sides don't get the difference in types of guns. There i is a vast difference between an Ak 47 and bold action hunting rifle.

 

[dudalb]

BTW a lot of the more extreme gun nuts are in a fury that the US Army has chosen a German rifle. made by Sig Sauer as the replacement for the M16. Don't tell me this is not orchareted by Colt, which stands to lose a lot of money with this.

 

[Craig4]

First one must have a working knowledge of what an "Inalienable Right" is. It would seem many have no concept of the term. Understandable among an International audience.

Maybe next you could work on figuring out the meaning of the word "Militia". Take your time, I know it's hard.

 

[erwinl]

I think we could actually do with repealing a bunch of amendments. Like, the very next one, the 3rd, no quartering of soldiers. What kind of hospitality is that? Then there's stuff about no alcohol, and a "jk alcohol!" I mean, just erase them both. What this country really needs is a little paperwork reduction.

Somehow, my first thought with your list was 'That's an oddly specific thing to put in your constitution. That you shouldn't dismember soldiers. Wonder what happened to make them say something like....... Oh wait! That's not what they meant!!'

 

[Norman Alexander]

First one must have a working knowledge of what an "Inalienable Right" is. It would seem many have no concept of the term. Understandable among an International audience.

Especially among the members from the UK and Commonwealth countries whose first language is English, not Merkin.

 

[Trausti]

We shouldn't repeal the second amendment. We should repeal the idiotic misinterpretation of it that's been going on forever (if only we could). The text:

“A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

People desiring to own guns conveniently ignore the everything from "A" to "state" and just quote the last part.

But of course as with all things political, esp today, it's a pointless debate, as neither "side" will listen to the other.

It does not say the right of Congress, the State, or the Milita shall not be infringed. It say the right of the People shall not be infringed. The whole purpose of the Bill of Rights was to limit the power of the new national government. Any reading of the Bill of Rights that expands the power of the government at the expense of the People is just wrong.

 

[CORed]

I voted no, but what I suggest is we copy the conservatives and take an originalist approach. "Arms" are muzzle loading flintlock weapons, just as the founding fathers intended. Anything more sophisitcated (and with a higher capacity to end human life) is not covered and subject to whatever legal restriction Congress and the state legislatures see fit to implement.

 

[Trausti]

I voted no, but what I suggest is we copy the conservatives and take an originalist approach. "Arms" are muzzle loading flintlock weapons, just as the founding fathers intended. Anything more sophisitcated (and with a higher capacity to end human life) is not covered and subject to whatever legal restriction Congress and the state legislatures see fit to implement.

And the freedom of the press only means broadsheets. Founding fathers never envisioned television or the internet.

 

[theprestige]

And the prohibition on housing troops only applies to the Continental Army and the Continental Marines. And the 14th Amendment obviously applies to Confederate soldiers and officials, and them alone.

 

[dudalb]

Yes, they are. Assault rifles are full-auto, and they are highly regulated by the ATF and the NFA.

And the regulation is working about as well as the Porhibition laws did.
I think there is no reason for a civilain to own an assault rifle, but when you have a lot of people want one, enforcement is a problem.

 

[dudalb]

As usual, the militants on both sides are dominating the discussion.

 

[Hercules56]

And the regulation is working about as well as the Porhibition laws did....

Name the last big massacre or crime that was done using an actual machine gun.

 

[dudalb]

Name the last big massacre or crime that was done using an actual machine gun.

SO the AR 15 is not an assualt rifle?

 

[Stacyhs]

SO the AR 15 is not an assualt rifle?

An assault rifle is fully automatic.
An AR 15 is semi-automatic. AR doesn't stand for Assault Rifle; it stand for Armalite Rifle. Armalite is the company that developed it.

But I think this argument about AR 15's not being an assault rifle or a machine gun are overly nit-picking excuses popular with the "But MAH FREEEEEEDOMS!" gun nuts. The fact is AR 15's can kill hundreds of people in a very short time as is seen over and over and FREAKING OVER AGAIN. They are NOT necessary for self-protection, hunting or anything else. They are mass killings machines. So spare me any of the usual crap about the 2nd A and "inalienable rights" cuz I don't give a damn.

 

[dudalb]

An assault rifle is fully automatic.
An AR 15 is semi-automatic. AR doesn't stand for Assault Rifle; it stand for Armalite Rifle. Armalite is the company that developed it.

But I think this argument about AR 15's not being an assault rifle or a machine gun are overly nit-picking excuses popular with the "But MAH FREEEEEEDOMS!" gun nuts. The fact is AR 15's can kill hundreds of people in a very short time as is seen over and over and FREAKING OVER AGAIN. They are NOT necessary for self-protection, hunting or anything else. They are mass killings machines. So spare me any of the usual crap about the 2nd A and "inalienable rights" cuz I don't give a damn.

I know all of that but....
fact is you can easily turn an semi auto AR 15 into an assualt rifle with just a couple of simple of tools.
AR 15 has been the basic design behind every standrard issue US Military refle since 1967.The current M4 is just a short compact version of an AR15.
That will change with the US Army having announced a Sig Saure German designed rifle as it's new standard weapon/
I don't know what a solution. A large percentage of the US population think they have right to own any weapon they want, and you can pass all the laws you want but they will very hard to enforce if a large precentage of the population does not support them. I give you, once again, Prohibition as an example. I am in favor of a ban on the AR 15, but would not want to be in charge of enforcing the ban.

 

[RedRatSnake]

I live in Massachusetts we have some pretty strict laws here, in fact so many that they intertwine with each other so much no one can interpret them. That's the loop holes they tell you about all the time. So their solution is what! More Laws lol

I had no beef with common sense at all, but when all are blamed for just a few that's when it becomes wrong.

 

[Hercules56]

An assault rifle is fully automatic.
An AR 15 is semi-automatic. AR doesn't stand for Assault Rifle; it stand for Armalite Rifle. Armalite is the company that developed it.

But I think this argument about AR 15's not being an assault rifle or a machine gun are overly nit-picking excuses popular with the "But MAH FREEEEEEDOMS!" gun nuts. The fact is AR 15's can kill hundreds of people in a very short time as is seen over and over and FREAKING OVER AGAIN. They are NOT necessary for self-protection, hunting or anything else. They are mass killings machines. So spare me any of the usual crap about the 2nd A and "inalienable rights" cuz I don't give a damn.

So you don't care about inalienable rights or you dont believe the right to self-defense with a deadly weapon is one of them?