Should sanctuary cities be tolerated?

I mean, deporting illegal aliens is a legitimate role of sovereign government. UKians do it. Canadia does it. Australia throws them into concentration camps on the vast wastes of the south Pacific. But somehow the US is a super villain for trying to enforce one of the most lenient immigration policies in the world.
 
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theprestige said:
I mean, deporting illegal aliens is a legitimate role of sovereign government. UKians do it. Canadia does it. Australia throws them into concentration camps on the vast wastes of the south Pacific. But somehow the US is a super villain for trying to enforce one of the most lenient immigration policies in the world.
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Yes, “trying to enforce one of the most lenient immigration policies in the world” is all the Trump administration is doing and there is nothing objectionable about their actions or methods.

Nope, nothing comes to mind at all.
 
theprestige said:
I mean, deporting illegal aliens is a legitimate role of sovereign government. UKians do it. Canadia does it. Australia throws them into concentration camps on the vast wastes of the south Pacific. But somehow the US is a super villain for trying to enforce one of the most lenient immigration policies in the world.
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Does the US really have "one of the most lenient immigration policies in the world"?

Lets consider only "westernized" countries (since comparing the US to some 3rd world nation next to a country at war is going to distort the numbers.)

If you look at the number of refugees per capita, the US currently sits at 0.84 per 1000 people. This puts it behind Switzerland, Austria, Netherlands, Canada, France, Denmark, Germany, the UK, Italy and Australia. (The US is second last in the G7, ahead of only Japan.)

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_refugee_population

What about immigrants? The US has a large number of total immigrants, but again, if you look at it on a per-capita basis, it falls behind Switzerland, Australia, Austria, Iceland, Ireland, Canada, Sweden, Germany, Spain, Norway and the UK.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_immigrant_and_emigrant_population

Furthermore, the EU has a program that allows migration of citizens within the borders of the EU... the US does not really have anything equivalent (unless you count their arrangement with something like American Samoa.)

Furthermore, there appears to be a backlog in processing legal immigrants in the US (something Biden tried to remedy by hiring more immigration judges, but Stubby McBonespurs and his republican Klan blocked the deal on it.)

The US immigration system certainly doesn't look very lenient if you look at the numbers.
 
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Segnosaur said:
Does the US really have "one of the most lenient immigration policies in the world"?

Lets consider only "westernized" countries (since comparing the US to some 3rd world nation next to a country at war is going to distort the numbers.)

If you look at the number of refugees per capita, the US currently sits at 0.84 per 1000 people. This puts it behind Switzerland, Austria, Netherlands, Canada, France, Denmark, Germany, the UK, Italy and Australia. (The US is second last in the G7, ahead of only Japan.)

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_refugee_population

What about immigrants? The US has a large number of total immigrants, but again, if you look at it on a per-capita basis, it falls behind Switzerland, Australia, Austria, Iceland, Ireland, Canada, Sweden, Germany, Spain, Norway and the UK.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_immigrant_and_emigrant_population

Furthermore, the EU has a program that allows migration of citizens within the borders of the EU... the US does not really have anything equivalent (unless you count their arrangement with something like American Samoa.)

Furthermore, there appears to be a backlog in processing legal immigrants in the US (something Biden tried to remedy by hiring more immigration judges, but Stubby McBonespurs and his republican Klan blocked the deal on it.)

The US immigration system certainly doesn't look very lenient if you look at the numbers.
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Look at the requirements to immigrate to Canada or the UK
 
The Don said:
In the UK, the last Conservative government had a jolly good go at it but failed thanks to the fact that we have a working judiciary.
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The Rwanda scheme was nasty, incompetent & illegal (as one would expect of the brainchild of Johnson & Braverman) but even they didn't include the torture prison part.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
The Rwanda scheme was nasty, incompetent & illegal (as one would expect of the brainchild of Johnson & Braverman) but even they didn't include the torture prison part.
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Oh, I'm sure it would have come to that in due course if the facility started to become overcrowded.
 
It appears that not only do Sanctuary City laws prevent State officials from cooperating with immigration enforcement, some of these sanctuary laws even make it a crime for a federal immigration officials to do their job.

That is definitely going too far and cannot be tolerated.

NY has a sanctuary law that makes it illegal for federal immigration officials to detain illegal aliens going to, being in, or leaving from court houses.

www.nysenate.gov

NY State Senate Bill 2019-S425A

Exempts certain interested parties or people from civil arrest while going to, remaining at, or returning from the place of such court proceeding.
www.nysenate.gov www.nysenate.gov


The clear wording of the law makes it a crime for ICE to detain an illegal alien going home from a court appearance.
 
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