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Should President Barack Obama be “canceled” because of e.g. his droning of civilians?

There are...specific issues with how drones target civilians using signature strikes, "double taps" that kill medics, and the like. Granted, people generally dislike the killing of civilians and non-combatants, and whether it's because of the nature of UAVs (which tend to carry sophisticated sensory equipment), or the nature of the current enemies blending into civilians, but it's a problem regardless.

Well that is just an argument against air strikes in general, not drones in particular.

The F-35 carries just as much sophisticated sensory equipment as a drone, probably more. In the end, regardless of whether it is a piloted aircraft or a ground/air controlled drone, it is the pilot who pulls the trigger, not the sensory equipment.
 
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The argument for drones is that the pilot has more time to make a decision, will not have the pressure of dying and can have his work reviewed in minute detail.

Drone warfare can be way more morally defensible than attack planes - that it isn't is intentional.
 
He knows that perfectly well. So by demanding we talk about it he keeps other things from happening.

As long as Obama isn't "uncancelled" (whatever the **** that means) over his drone strikes, then war mongerers on the Right can't be cancelled either.

In case you haven't noticed, that's becoming a pretty popular topic.

"I'm completely on the side of evil, so I'm going to demand we define where the line is draw before we go any further."

It's not worth talking about in my book. I'm guessing the real reason he wants to "cancel" or "erase" Obama has more to do with the color of his skin. It just bothers the hell out of them. No way could one of those people could be smarter and more eloquent than they are. No way was a colored man President.

It always kills me that the Evangelical right hated Obama, the dedicated family man who spoke kindly of almost anyone. And they love Trump, the philandering cheating whore chasing bully who treats anyone he disagrees with like ****. Obama, married a single time and Trump who was married 3 times and cheated on all of his wives including his present wife days after she gave birth to his son.

But Obama is the one they want to cancel.
 
I, for one, find America’s 44th President’s use of drone warfare deeply problematic and so I think he should be erased from American history.

Says the guy who has as his avatar a portrait of George Washington-slave owner, rum drinker and rabble-rouser.
 
He should probably be in prison, like every other US president during my lifetime.
 
Just what the word needs: expurgated history. Tear out the pages.

The History Teacher

Trying to protect his students' innocence
he told them the Ice Age was really just
the Chilly Age, a period of a million years
when everyone had to wear sweaters.

And the Stone Age became the Gravel Age,
named after the long driveways of the time.

The Spanish Inquisition was nothing more
than an outbreak of questions such as
"How far is it from here to Madrid?"
"What do you call the matador's hat?"

The War of the Roses took place in a garden,
and the Enola Gay dropped one tiny atom
on Japan.

The children would leave his classroom
for the playground to torment the weak
and the smart,
mussing up their hair and breaking their glasses,

while he gathered up his notes and walked home
past flower beds and white picket fences,
wondering if they would believe that soldiers
in the Boer War told long, rambling stories
designed to make the enemy nod off.

(Billy Collins)
 
It's not worth talking about in my book. I'm guessing the real reason he wants to "cancel" or "erase" Obama has more to do with the color of his skin. It just bothers the hell out of them. No way could one of those people could be smarter and more eloquent than they are. No way was a colored man President.

It always kills me that the Evangelical right hated Obama, the dedicated family man who spoke kindly of almost anyone. And they love Trump, the philandering cheating whore chasing bully who treats anyone he disagrees with like ****. Obama, married a single time and Trump who was married 3 times and cheated on all of his wives including his present wife days after she gave birth to his son.

But Obama is the one they want to cancel.

And don't forget that time he wore a tan suit.
 
Okay let's introduce some of those... things... that are true... what are they called... yeah facts.

Okay. Yes under Obama drone strikes did increase dramatically.*

Under George W. Bush, 57 Drone Strikes were carried out. 563 were carried out under Obama.

But Obama was also President during period advances in unmanned aircraft and global communications advancement.

And as noted... so? We're talking unmanned aircraft, not Skynet. A human being is still flying the aircraft and dropping the bombs, they just aren't in the aircraft when they do it.

*Obvious caveat, drone strikes are often classified so all numbers are just based on available information. Sprinkle what ever grains of
 
I, for one, find America’s 44th President’s use of drone warfare deeply problematic and so I think he should be erased from American history.

If you can find a way of actually erasing Obama from American history, then please tell us how such a thing is done.

Otherwise, you will just have to go on living with Obama being a major fixture in American history.

Also, why is drone warfare so problematic for you?

After all, if these people were killed using more established technology such as guns, missiles, ships, tanks, aircraft, etc., then these people would still be just as dead as they are now.
 
If you can find a way of actually erasing Obama from American history, then please tell us how such a thing is done.

I know. I mean we haven't put any statues of him up yet and apparently our entire historical archiving system is statue based.
 
not sure what the point is here. People opposed to our endless military campaigns abroad are not fans of the Obama foreign policy.

I would contend that many of our more recent presidents are war criminals that deserve a violent death at the Hague. The bipartisan endorsement of endless war is a national disgrace.
 
And as noted... so? We're talking unmanned aircraft, not Skynet. A human being is still flying the aircraft and dropping the bombs, they just aren't in the aircraft when they do it.

I'm pretty sure Obama would have got stick either way just because that was what\is happening (see Mustardgate etc);

"OMG!! He's using drone strikes!!"

Or

"OMG! He's putting our upstanding pilots in danger"

With a small side of luddite testosterone "They're not true warriors"

I mean the normal crowd of rich white men & their stockholders still got their money, so keeping the status quo there.
 

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