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I would grow a couple of marijuana plants if it was not illegal, and occasionally use some of it in cooking. I might even have a joint occasionally.
rjh01
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What would be a great joke would be to put seeds in other people's front gardens. Not just one or two properties but a full street's worth. Then stand back and watch the fun. Some will be pulled out as weeds, but some people do not do much gardening.
Bit slow, but then so is watching grass grow.
Bit slow, but then so is watching grass grow.
brodski
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The comedian Mark Thomas pointed out on his TV show once three things.
1) Cannabis seeds are legal in the UK (cultivation is not without a hard to obtain government licence)
2) Cannabis s fairly easily everywhere
3) most Police stations have flower boxes or flowerbeds outside them these days....
Malkuth
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Originally Posted by Malkuth
<snip unattributed Jack Herer rant>...
You forgot the one about how George Bush Sr.'s life was saved by a HEMP parachute during the war. If not for hemp W never would have been born, let alone grow up to be president!...
It's actually from http://eap.mcgill.ca/CPH_3.htm Author attributed on that page is Chanvre en Ville, not Jack Herer.
Prometheus
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Malkuth
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http://www.sustainable.org.uk/library/niall_harle.html
Amongst other things, including a review of some of the political reasonings for hemp's descent from grace, says this...
"A recent report by the FCDA, Europe, provided evidence of the benefits hemp can offer as the most economical source of biomass energy available. The FCDA concluded that via the process of pyrolysis, hemp biomass is able to deliver 5000 - 8000 BTU's per pound in weight, calculating that a mere 6% of US agricultural land, if turned over to the production of hemp, could provide enough biomass to supply the current demand for gasoline, oil and diesel."
The report states: "The Cannabis Biomass Energy Equation (CBEE) demonstrates for the first time on record that fuel-energy sourced from the renewable, pollution free resource of flora in the form of Cannabis Sativa, achieves uniquely economical replacement of fuels, and has always been so. There has not been this century, a single ecologically-pertinent fact, theory or postulation embodying practicable potentials as beneficial to the planet and the well being of its people as those of the CBEE, given practical application in the CBRPF (Cannabis Biomass Resource and Pyrolysis Functions) ; this formulation resolves Mankind's most crucial predicament in macroeconomics and Ecology to have arisen since the incipience of The Industrial Revolution"
I've not found the full text of this report online, but...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cannabis-Facts-Rights-Report-Europe/dp/1902848101
Amongst other things, including a review of some of the political reasonings for hemp's descent from grace, says this...
"A recent report by the FCDA, Europe, provided evidence of the benefits hemp can offer as the most economical source of biomass energy available. The FCDA concluded that via the process of pyrolysis, hemp biomass is able to deliver 5000 - 8000 BTU's per pound in weight, calculating that a mere 6% of US agricultural land, if turned over to the production of hemp, could provide enough biomass to supply the current demand for gasoline, oil and diesel."
The report states: "The Cannabis Biomass Energy Equation (CBEE) demonstrates for the first time on record that fuel-energy sourced from the renewable, pollution free resource of flora in the form of Cannabis Sativa, achieves uniquely economical replacement of fuels, and has always been so. There has not been this century, a single ecologically-pertinent fact, theory or postulation embodying practicable potentials as beneficial to the planet and the well being of its people as those of the CBEE, given practical application in the CBRPF (Cannabis Biomass Resource and Pyrolysis Functions) ; this formulation resolves Mankind's most crucial predicament in macroeconomics and Ecology to have arisen since the incipience of The Industrial Revolution"
I've not found the full text of this report online, but...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cannabis-Facts-Rights-Report-Europe/dp/1902848101
Gate2501
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Interesting side story loosely related to "planting marijuana around the neighborhood".
My cousin, who is a fan of teh drugs(not just MJ), found some Datura planted in the flowerbeds in front of the local high school. He got a big seedpod from one of the plants, opened it, and ate all of the seeds.
An hour later he was under the sink with all of the refrigerator magnets screaming about his treasure if you tried to take them away from him.
My cousin, who is a fan of teh drugs(not just MJ), found some Datura planted in the flowerbeds in front of the local high school. He got a big seedpod from one of the plants, opened it, and ate all of the seeds.
An hour later he was under the sink with all of the refrigerator magnets screaming about his treasure if you tried to take them away from him.
Malkuth
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An economic examination of the hemp industry.
Richard A. Adams
Baker College Center for Graduate Studies
Abstract
An examination and evaluation of the hemp industry in the United States of America with particular emphasis on current issues involved in the agricultural production of hemp both domestically and internationally. Discussion of the economic benefits of a re-evaluation of the legal issues, in particular those laws which necessitate importation versus domestic production of raw hemp for production purposes. A brief examination of the history of the hemp industry and hemp agriculture in the United States of America provides a background against which the current legal and economic status of hemp may be viewed. Discussion of various hemp products, the suitability of the product to American agricultural and production capabilities, and the potential of the market provide an economic understanding of the question.
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/indust/ECNPAPER.html
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The difference in greenhouse gas emissions from cars burning gasoline-only fuel and fuels made from various forms of ethanol:
Corn ethanol: 0-3 percent greenhouse gas emission reduction.
Sugar cane ethanol: 50-70 percent reduction.
Cellulosic (hemp) ethanol: 90-plus percent. (bolded mine in there)
But wait, there’s more:
Which form of ethanol production is the United States government (and its taxpayers) subsidizing? Corn, of course.
Which form of ethanol production does the United States government levy a 53-cents-a-gallon import tariff on? Sugar cane, naturally.
And which form of ethanol production is under-funded, under-researched, and furthest from commercial production? The cleanest choice, obviously.
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/24/corn-ethanol-biofuel-or-biofraud/
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Richard A. Adams
Baker College Center for Graduate Studies
Abstract
An examination and evaluation of the hemp industry in the United States of America with particular emphasis on current issues involved in the agricultural production of hemp both domestically and internationally. Discussion of the economic benefits of a re-evaluation of the legal issues, in particular those laws which necessitate importation versus domestic production of raw hemp for production purposes. A brief examination of the history of the hemp industry and hemp agriculture in the United States of America provides a background against which the current legal and economic status of hemp may be viewed. Discussion of various hemp products, the suitability of the product to American agricultural and production capabilities, and the potential of the market provide an economic understanding of the question.
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/indust/ECNPAPER.html
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The difference in greenhouse gas emissions from cars burning gasoline-only fuel and fuels made from various forms of ethanol:
Corn ethanol: 0-3 percent greenhouse gas emission reduction.
Sugar cane ethanol: 50-70 percent reduction.
Cellulosic (hemp) ethanol: 90-plus percent. (bolded mine in there)
But wait, there’s more:
Which form of ethanol production is the United States government (and its taxpayers) subsidizing? Corn, of course.
Which form of ethanol production does the United States government levy a 53-cents-a-gallon import tariff on? Sugar cane, naturally.
And which form of ethanol production is under-funded, under-researched, and furthest from commercial production? The cleanest choice, obviously.
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/24/corn-ethanol-biofuel-or-biofraud/
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tyr_13
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Cellulosic refers to switchgrass and organic wastes like wood chips normally doesn't it? I mean, hemp is a cellulosic plant too that could be used in theory, but why wouldn't you use switchgrass? There is no reason that I can see to use hemp instead.
Hemp is not a major player for that kind of biofuel and the only people advocating it are pot advocates.
Didn't think we'd notice that?
Hemp is not a major player for that kind of biofuel and the only people advocating it are pot advocates.
Didn't think we'd notice that?
Eddie Dane
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Sound great!
I'll think I'll give that ago next weekend.
What do those plants look like?
[/continue sidebar]There was a recent (in the last two months) article in the Economist discussing the value of used coffee grounds for making bio diesel. It seems that this common waste product (in much of the US, Canada, and Europe) can be readily used to create diesel;then, the remaining de-oiled grounds can still be used as an ingredient for compost.
I will find the article and post a linky and/or quotes when it's not so darned late. But I do remember that the numbers were quite compelling; also, that the quality of the diesel produced was such that the engines would not require modification, as is the case with most bio-diesels used today. And, instead of your tailpipe spewing that stale french fry smell, there'd only be a faint aroma of java. Sounded like a very promising bit of research! [/continue sidebar]
-- Miss Kitt
I will find the article and post a linky and/or quotes when it's not so darned late. But I do remember that the numbers were quite compelling; also, that the quality of the diesel produced was such that the engines would not require modification, as is the case with most bio-diesels used today. And, instead of your tailpipe spewing that stale french fry smell, there'd only be a faint aroma of java. Sounded like a very promising bit of research! [/continue sidebar]
-- Miss Kitt
politas
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He's lucky to be alive from what I hear about Datura. The line between "interesting psych effects" and "dead" is fairly easy to cross with it.
But it grows wild in many parts of Australia.
WildCat
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I don't know, Bob Marley died of cancer.
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tyr_13
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My mother actually told me about that while we were gardening yesterday. Some of the plants like acidic soil, so we use coffee grounds. She mentioned it, and it does sound pretty promising to help. Obviously even the massive amount of coffee consumed by Americans isn't enough to replace all other alt fuels.
Personally, I hate coffee. Get back to me when they do the same with tea.
Funny that its legal. Jimson weed is a common weed around here.
Most people I know that took it had to end up naked somewhere.
I think its because they **** their pants and puke on their shirts prior to that.
There's at least 6 strong drug plant species that regularly invade my garden.
None illegal. MJ is picked on unfairly.
I'd favor ethanol and nicotine to be criminalized if legalization won't happen.
It might force the issue.
I am doubtful that our government could come up with a responsible plan to do so. However, I am of the opinion that if America was to really make a positive mark towards its own self sovereignty, it would consider legalizing all drugs and then going further in doing so.
The American population is overburdened with the selfish use of drugs by individuals now especially in the form of "expendable children" that end up in the foster care system or otherwise as just one example. The burdens on all government funded programs for what is basically an "indulgence" is just not sensible. However, in light of the present government, "sensible" is just not an adjective I could even throw at them hope to stick.
However, if there was a change in the law. The law having very strong and clear consequences for not being able to handle your drug use. These rules would be more or less an "assumption of your own peril" law. Also, I believe like the drinking age, the drug use age should be 21 not 18, because even at 21, most young people do not have the social responsibility for themselves and are not capable of backing up their own actions. The law should also be strong for minors and distinquish itself from what would be considered everyday law. These laws are meant to both be punative and self-supportive as there should be both a penalty and a financial aspect to it. It should be firm and without flexibility because we are talking about something that is an "indulgence" and not a necessity. Also, alcohol should be added to this same set of laws.
Along with the law aspect, the "assume your own peril" would extend to health insurance, medical care and there would be high taxes placed on any and all drugs. A person would have to have identity just like a person has to have a driver's license to get alcohol, the same for all drugs. But in this, there would be a strong taking of personal liberty for drug users then as there would be a "monthly" and even a "weekly" limit on what a person can buy of each drug. Also, a person who is more or less "licensed" cannot share their stuff with someone else, anyone found to be under the influence without the licensing will be subject to a strong law whereby both a fine and a one year stipulation of the "assume your own risk" would be applied to their insurability status.
Anyone who does drugs in America would be entitled to a controlled health care system. The heavy taxes levied on each legalized drug would be used to pay for this program. There would also be limits on care especially when care seems to be obsessive and when a person no longer seems to have control in their life, their decisions would be made for them to a degree. In this, a person would lose the priveledge of being legally able to consume any drug material at all until a minimum of a year passes and there is a physical examination done at the applicant's expense to regain this status.
I believe it would create a new level of prosperity but with such a thing, you cannot trust that everyone will just be cool and light up a doobie and get a little high and that be that. Not everyone stops at a wee bit of inebriation, euphoria or hallucination. The law should be prohibitive but not invasive. IN that if you should legally get you head messed up, you are within your legal right until it offends the safety and well being of another. This is also in following with Dr. Albert Fisher's treatment of psychadelic drugs, especially LSD where he definitely set some rules for use in that a person had to have both set and setting before beginning "the trip". In China, there are "opium dens" that are talked about where people basically go to "get wasted". These are not very responsible dwellings but they do have themselves set away from the general public.
The same thing should be done for prostitution where both the prostitute and the "john" would have their health and well being protected more than the way things are now. The system we have and the ridiculous "war on drugs" are still a means by which the wealthy gain power and influence in the otherwise "civil world" leaving in their wake the mess that others have to clean up. Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the Delano part of the family was responsible for shipping heroin throughout Asia as a means of social control. The priveledge in America to use recreational drugs has to come at a clear cost and eliminate the criminal and irresponsible element that does not clean up the mess it makes. It is a rather tall order really as I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I do believe that a great deal of the power and wealth in this nation feeds off the misery and depravity which drives and fuels the current system of drugs. Even the leaders of our country seem to have a romance with the methods of incarceration and social control that the law has in place now. However, it is a hemmoraging artery that in the end is swept into more money from the government to throw a square of toilet tissue to in order to somehow stop it.
The American population is overburdened with the selfish use of drugs by individuals now especially in the form of "expendable children" that end up in the foster care system or otherwise as just one example. The burdens on all government funded programs for what is basically an "indulgence" is just not sensible. However, in light of the present government, "sensible" is just not an adjective I could even throw at them hope to stick.
However, if there was a change in the law. The law having very strong and clear consequences for not being able to handle your drug use. These rules would be more or less an "assumption of your own peril" law. Also, I believe like the drinking age, the drug use age should be 21 not 18, because even at 21, most young people do not have the social responsibility for themselves and are not capable of backing up their own actions. The law should also be strong for minors and distinquish itself from what would be considered everyday law. These laws are meant to both be punative and self-supportive as there should be both a penalty and a financial aspect to it. It should be firm and without flexibility because we are talking about something that is an "indulgence" and not a necessity. Also, alcohol should be added to this same set of laws.
Along with the law aspect, the "assume your own peril" would extend to health insurance, medical care and there would be high taxes placed on any and all drugs. A person would have to have identity just like a person has to have a driver's license to get alcohol, the same for all drugs. But in this, there would be a strong taking of personal liberty for drug users then as there would be a "monthly" and even a "weekly" limit on what a person can buy of each drug. Also, a person who is more or less "licensed" cannot share their stuff with someone else, anyone found to be under the influence without the licensing will be subject to a strong law whereby both a fine and a one year stipulation of the "assume your own risk" would be applied to their insurability status.
Anyone who does drugs in America would be entitled to a controlled health care system. The heavy taxes levied on each legalized drug would be used to pay for this program. There would also be limits on care especially when care seems to be obsessive and when a person no longer seems to have control in their life, their decisions would be made for them to a degree. In this, a person would lose the priveledge of being legally able to consume any drug material at all until a minimum of a year passes and there is a physical examination done at the applicant's expense to regain this status.
I believe it would create a new level of prosperity but with such a thing, you cannot trust that everyone will just be cool and light up a doobie and get a little high and that be that. Not everyone stops at a wee bit of inebriation, euphoria or hallucination. The law should be prohibitive but not invasive. IN that if you should legally get you head messed up, you are within your legal right until it offends the safety and well being of another. This is also in following with Dr. Albert Fisher's treatment of psychadelic drugs, especially LSD where he definitely set some rules for use in that a person had to have both set and setting before beginning "the trip". In China, there are "opium dens" that are talked about where people basically go to "get wasted". These are not very responsible dwellings but they do have themselves set away from the general public.
The same thing should be done for prostitution where both the prostitute and the "john" would have their health and well being protected more than the way things are now. The system we have and the ridiculous "war on drugs" are still a means by which the wealthy gain power and influence in the otherwise "civil world" leaving in their wake the mess that others have to clean up. Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the Delano part of the family was responsible for shipping heroin throughout Asia as a means of social control. The priveledge in America to use recreational drugs has to come at a clear cost and eliminate the criminal and irresponsible element that does not clean up the mess it makes. It is a rather tall order really as I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I do believe that a great deal of the power and wealth in this nation feeds off the misery and depravity which drives and fuels the current system of drugs. Even the leaders of our country seem to have a romance with the methods of incarceration and social control that the law has in place now. However, it is a hemmoraging artery that in the end is swept into more money from the government to throw a square of toilet tissue to in order to somehow stop it.
Malkuth
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/seconded
arthwollipot
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I probably would, but the fact that it's illegal means that I have to deal with criminals to get the stuff, and their associates (I met some seriously shady characters buying pot in my misspent youth - fortunately the worst that happened is that I once got my wallet stolen), and because it's illegal they don't exactly advertise and I no longer have the contacts and don't know how to get any.
So my not getting stoned is an indirect, but not direct, result of it being illegal.