Should Homeopathy be illegal?

[Segnosaur]

Produce a fever to kill a fever.
example pervuvian bark aka cinchona bark(quinine) produces same efect as malaria, if yu have malaria and take this(AND FOR GODS SAKE DONT DO IT WITHOUT SEEKING MEDICAL ADVICE FIRST) it will like the malaria "similars"

orthodox medicine kill the sympton not cure it, by blocking nerve signals."opposite"

Actually, this is not correct... While some medicine cures symptoms, other medicine cures the disease itself. For example, antibiotics usually work directly against the bacteria. Antivirals interfeer with with viral replication.

If the homeopathic idea of 'like curing like' worked, can I cure a fractured skull by being hit in the head with a brick?

 

[Guest]

You claim you've had no help, but what would your life be like if you had taken no modern medicine at all?

No please read. I said I now have no help I cant take any modern pain killer because my body hads beecome addicted to it.

If no modern medicine where would I be, not in so much pain for one.

Me

 

[arcticpenguin]

orthodox medicine kill the sympton not cure it, by blocking nerve signals."opposite"

You are making a very broad generalisation.

To which orthodox medicine are you referring? Vaccines and anti-biotics are not just symptomatic relief. In other cases, suppressing the symptoms can be of great help in limiting damage while the body's immune system takes care of the root cause (fever reduction, cough suppression).

The only requirement for a medicine to be considered orthodox is that it be shown effective in well-controlled experiments.

 

[RichardR]

you treat same with same that cures the whole

Can you please cite your reference that backs this up?

 

[Guest]

Actually, this is not correct... While some medicine cures symptoms, other medicine cures the disease itself. For example, antibiotics usually work directly against the bacteria. Antivirals interfeer with with viral replication.

If the homeopathic idea of 'like curing like' worked, can I cure a fractured skull by being hit in the head with a brick?

fractures are not an illness thats ludricous and trivial to include it.

work directly against the bacteria..." opposite"
Interfere cause it it to mutate "penicillin and resistance spring to mind"

Me

 

[Segnosaur]

No please read. I said I now have no help I cant take any modern pain killer because my body hads beecome addicted to it.

If no modern medicine where would I be not in so much pain for one.

I'm curious... are you addicted to EVERY type of pain killer? I know many are addictive, and many are related; however, does that include things like Aspirin (ASA), or Tylenol (Acetominophin sp?)

 

[Guest]

Can you please cite your reference that backs this up?

works by Dr Hahenmann and homeopathy principles.
(plants that I know and understand)

Me and look and a source named.

 

[RichardR]

Half of all illnesses around are caused by the side effects of modern medicines

Do you have some backup for this claim please?

 

[Segnosaur]

fractures are not an illness thats ludricous and drivel to include it.

work directly against the bacteria..." opposite"
Interfere cause it it to mutate "penicillin and resistance spring to mind"

Sorry, the skull thing was a joke. I should have included a for good measure.

As for 'bacteria'... A bacterial infection can cause feaver, discomfort, perhaps a sore throat (depending on where the problem is). Penicillin (or most other antibiotics) do not try to replicate this effect at all.

And I can't quite make out your grammar, but if you are referring to penicillian resistance in bacteria, it is more of a selection thing than a mutation thing.

 

[Guest]

I'm curious... are you addicted to EVERY type of pain killer? I know many are addictive, and many are related; however, does that include things like Aspirin (ASA), or Tylenol (Acetominophin sp?)

Yes had prescibed all of them. Growing addiction culture , co dines, paracetamols, anadin, you name it they pumped me full of it.

So yes I am an addicted to them all, I cant take them anymore if I do right back to square 1, which is hell and I have no wish to go there again.

Please excuse me I shall retire to my bed, as it approaches midnight and I turn into a grumpy pumpkin, if you want me to continue debating my corner please type away quesions etc pm me or not goodnight.

Me

 

[RichardR]

works by Dr Hahenmann and homeopathy principles.
(plants that I know and understand)

What trials have been performed that show this is true. I know that Hahenmann claims this, but I am not interested in claims without some backup.

Please tell me where I can read a clinical trial that shows "you treat same with same that cures the whole".

Thanks.

 

[Segnosaur]

Do you have some backup for this claim please?

You know, I haven't read that book that she's talking about... but, I strongly suspect that the 50% claim probably has something to do with considering side effects as a new disease.

For example, if you have a headache, you take an aspirin. Aspirin causes slight bleeding in the stomach. Thus, there are 2 diseases (headache and bleeding), one of which was caused by medicine.

Hey, and who said math was hard?

 

[Guest]

Do you have some backup for this claim please?

like what be specfic.
Steg its ok, i;m bushed, i type a better responce up tomoz.

me

 

[RichardR]

like what be specfic.
Steg its ok, i;m bushed, i type a better responce up tomoz.

Your claim was “Half of all illnesses around are caused by the side effects of modern medicines”. Can you please tell me where you got this information? I’m assuming you didn’t make it up. So how do you know?

Please cite your source for information like this. Ideally one we can look at on-line. Thanks.

 

[Jim_MDP]

Hey there Flower,

You said:

"Celebrex for one should be banned for what it does to you, I am sure it is in the States?"


Having taken all I could get recently, I'm very interested in your explanation for this.

 

[3-toed-sloth]

work directly against the bacteria..." opposite"
Interfere cause it it to mutate "penicillin and resistance spring to mind"

Penicillin does not cause mutations in bacteria. Penicillin kills bacteria that do not have resistance genes.

Take a population of bacteria that is composed of 99% bacteria that are susceptible to penicillin and 1% bacteria that are resistant to it. If you introduce penicillin it will kill off the 99% of the bacteria that are susceptible to penicillin, the 1% that are resistant won't die. Over time, the bacteria will multiple and you will have a population where 100% of the bacteria are resistant to penicillin.

The penicillin didn't cause any mutations; it just killed off the bacteria that were susceptible to it.

This is why we need to constantly come up with more antibiotics, by using antibiotics were are favoring bacteria that are resistant to antibiotics, this does not mean that we should not use them. Literally (and I mean literally) millions of people have had their lives saved by antibiotics. I'll take antibiotics over homeopathy any day

Penicillin and other anitbiotics work, homeopathy does not

 

[Dub]

The only real problem with antibiotics is that alot of people do not finish the course they are given.

Antibiotics work, its people that are less reliable.

 

[3-toed-sloth]

The only real problem with antibiotics is that alot of people do not finish the course they are given.

Antibiotics work, its people that are less reliable.

That is true, and people use antibiotics incorrectly. I've heard of people taking antibiotics to treat a cold.

 

[chessmanskeptic]

That is true, and people use antibiotics incorrectly. I've heard of people taking antibiotics to treat a cold.

I have heard of some idiots that have done this myself. The bad thing is they could create antibiotic resistant bacteria in their body and well, meningitis kicks in and you will most likely die.

 

[Dragon]

Originally posted by radiating-sunflower
Nurofem otc headache pill, take it more than 3 days and your an addict. Coming off that is far worse than going cold turkey on heroin.

I'm sorry, r-s, but you are talking total nonsense here.
My personal experience -
About three years ago I was in severe pain from prolapsed discs. I had sciatica down my leg which was the worst pain I have ever experienced, much worse than breaking a collar bone, for instance.
Before it was properly diagnosed I was taking ibuprofen (I assume that you mean Nurofen above) for over a week and then my GP put me on diclofenac, solpadol and temazepam (Valium). The first two are very strong pain killers and the third a muscle relaxant as well as a sedative. I took the full dose of all 3 for a week and reduced over the next month as I improved.
I am not addicted in any way to any of these drugs.
They helped me through a very difficult time and I would not hesitate to take them again if necessary.

I have seen heroin addicts in the first stages of cold turkey many times in police cells (co-incidentally the most they get is temazepam). These people are really suffering.

When you compare Nurofen/ibuprofen to Heroin you obviously haven't the first clue about these drugs and their effects on the human body.