Should Homeopathy be illegal?

[chessmanskeptic]

The only reason why the Horizon experiment did not go well was that there was major dilution. Could homeopathy work without dilution, it is possible. All the Horizon program proved was that dilution and homeopathy do not mix. If you dilute so much that you can not even see the original substance, then the substance is ineffective no matter what!

 

[Guest]

Well, please explain to those of us who are ignorant.
Did you make this up?

first half can do if your prepared to learn.

second half I wish I had unfortantly its true, many illness treated and the then sideffects left are caused by modern medinicines not all illnesses.
take for example a depressive on valium, the side effects kick cant sleep, get sleeping pills, then get headaches, take more and so on and so forth. The orignal complaint has now become a multitude of them.

me

Nurofem otc headache pill, take it more than 3 days and your an addict. Coming off that is far worse than going cold turkey on heroin.


Media article on Uk's growing OTC addictions

No way am i an expert it this field, I know coz I have been down this road. I am a classified addict and addict to perscriptions drugs ie pain killers, I off them now, but it mean I can never take any form of pain killers again. Just like alcholism your cant drink I cant take pills. I am left with chronic pain from op and subsequent damage from prescriptive drugs. Hey any relief is welcome mine is I learn about dangerous plants it helps me ge through the day.
As I have no help fom modern medicines , whats left but the natural way?

ME

 

[Dub]

The only reason why the Horizon experiment did not go well was that there was major dilution. Could homeopathy work without dilution, it is possible. All the Horizon program proved was that dilution and homeopathy do not mix. If you dilute so much that you can not even see the original substance, then the substance is ineffective no matter what!

The fundamental basis of homeopathy is the dilution process. Infact, it is claimed the more diltue the better it works. 'Modern medicine' often uses the idea of small amounts of the 'cause' of an illness as a cure. For example,a very small dose of some diseases allows the body to become immune to a full blown attack. Also similar bacteria to that of the disease can create immunity. You've probably heard of the smallpox/cowpox story.

 

[Dub]

Asi have no help fom modern medicnes , whats left but the natural way?

You claim you've had no help, but what would your life be like if you had taken no modern medicine at all?

 

[Ian Osborne]

The only reason why the Horizon experiment did not go well was that there was major dilution. Could homeopathy work without dilution, it is possible. All the Horizon program proved was that dilution and homeopathy do not mix. If you dilute so much that you can not even see the original substance, then the substance is ineffective no matter what!

If there isn't dilution, it isn't homeopathy. I think you need to research what homeopathy is before you decide to support it...

 

[chessmanskeptic]

The fundamental basis of homeopathy is the dilution process. Infact, it is claimed the more diltue the better it works. 'Modern medicine' often uses the idea of small amounts of the 'cause' of an illness as a cure. For example,a very small dose of some diseases allows the body to become immune to a full blown attack. Also similar bacteria to that of the disease can create immunity. You've probably heard of the smallpox/cowpox story.

That is true, yet, the less you dilute a substance, the purer it is. The entire theory behind homeopathy is that the electronegativity of the substance is able to cancel out with the diseases electronegativity which in turn kills the diseased tissue and the pathogen causing the disease.

 

[Dub]

Im sorry but I have no idea about electronegativity and its relevance to homeopathy. Please explain.

 

[Guest]

Dub the principles of homeopathy is minimum dose, Hahnemans greatest effort to reduce poisionous effects of large doses of medicines in use at the time, such as mecury(his day) in the treatment of syphillis, he investigated diluting them. During this time he found that if medicines were mixed vigorously by striking the bottle against a firm surface in sucession, they became stronger in the effects, even though there was less of the original substance because of dilution. this then led to homeopathys minimum dose principle.
homeopathy is made up by using several tried principle
Like cures Like based on the Totality
Minimum does
Single remedy
Direction of cure.


Can you argue that modern medicine is not diluted as well, because it is.

Me and the hardrives stored previous researched homeopathic material sources gleemed unknown

 

[chessmanskeptic]

You claim you've had no help, but what would your life be like if you had taken no modern medicine at all?

I completely agree with you Dub. W/O modern medicine we probably would not even be here today. Homeopathy is just another one of those "alternative health" ideas that has some interesting ideas.

 

[Dub]

Dub the principles of homeopathy is minimum dose, Hahnemans grest effort to reduce poisionous effects of large doses of medicines in use at the time, such as mecury(his day) in the treatment of syphillis, he investigated diluting them. During tjis time he found that if medicines were mixed vigorously by striking the bottle against a firm surface in sucession, they became stronger in the effects, even though ther was less of the original substance because of dilution. /this then led to homeopathys minimum dose principle.
homeopathy i made up using several tried principles.

Let me make myself clearer:

Homeopathy = 100% pure water

 

[3-toed-sloth]

That is true, yet, the less you dilute a substance, the purer it is. The entire theory behind homeopathy is that the electronegativity of the substance is able to cancel out with the diseases electronegativity which in turn kills the diseased tissue and the pathogen causing the disease.

What?

Electronegativity refers to the relative tendancy of an atom to aquire an electon, it has nothing to do with curing diseases.

Oxygen is more electronegative than hydrogen, that is what makes water polar.

 

[chessmanskeptic]

Im sorry but I have no idea what electronegativity is. Please explain.

In lamens terms the whole idea behind homeopathy is that everything has a bioelectrical or resonating field. This field can be canceled out by other substances that have the same bioelectric field which in turn kills both substances. Translation: The disease is killed and the substance is neutralized.

 

[Guest]

Let me make myself clearer:

Homeopathy = 100% pure water

No wrong where is the proof

Me

 

[Skeptoid]

No wrong.

Granted. It's between 99.9999999999% and 100%.

 

[Dub]

No wrong.

Sorry but, it is correct. Do you understand the mathematics behind the labeling "6c" "30c" etc? If not let me quickly explain. 1c = 1 in 100 dilution. 2c = 1 in 10,000, 3c = 1 in 1000000 and so forth.. using 100 as the multiplier. Like I stated at 15c there's not even enough water on Earth to disolve one drop in. The chance of a 30c solution even containing a single molecule of the original solution are astronomical. It has been shown through careful analysis that such solutions do not contain even a single molecule of the original solution.

 

[Guest]

In lamens terms the whole idea behind homeopathy is that everything has a bioelectrical or resonating field. This field can be canceled out by other substances that have the same bioelectric field which in turn kills both substances. Translation: The disease is killed and the substance is neutralized.

Produce a fever to kill a fever.
example pervuvian bark aka cinchona bark(quinine) produces same efect as malaria, if yu have malaria and take this(AND FOR GODS SAKE DONT DO IT WITHOUT SEEKING MEDICAL ADVICE FIRST) it will like the malaria "similars"

orthodox medicine kill the sympton not cure it, by blocking nerve signals."opposite"

Me as in plant knowledge plus hardrives stored data on homeopathy, source unknown.

 

[Soapy Sam]

I have a quibble regarding all this business about 100% pure water.
I don't think there's any such thing.

At the very least there must be some air dissolved in it, not to mention vapour pressure ablation of the container surface.

I demand a recount.

 

[Guest]

Sorry but, it is correct. Do you understand the mathematics behind the labeling "6c" "30c" etc? If not let me quickly explain. 1c = 1 in 100 dilution. 2c = 1 in 10,000, 3c = 1 in 1000000 and so forth.. using 100 as the multiplier. Like I stated at 15c there's not even enough water on Earth to disolve one drop in. The chance of a 30c solution even containing a single molecule of the original solution are astronomical. It has been shown through careful analysis that such solutions do not contain even a single molecule of the original solution.

so one bottle horison tested and that means all are the same? NO pure and simple, ever heard of staged tests?
I hate maths.


Me

 

[Guest]

I have a quibble regarding all this business about 100% pure water.
I don't think there's any such thing.

At the very least there must be some air dissolved in it, not to mention vapour pressure ablation of the container surface.

I demand a recount.

LMAO not pure water its been through things and been peed on by some form of life or chemically added too.

Me

 

[Dub]

I have a quibble regarding all this business about 100% pure water.
I don't think there's any such thing.

At the very least there must be some air dissolved in it, not to mention vapour pressure ablation of the container surface.

I demand a recount.

Obivoulsy no water is 100% pure. That just a way of sayin normal everyday tape water grade.

so one bottle horison tested and that means all are the same? NO pure and simple, ever heard of staged tests?

The horizon test was not based on one bottle. Infact ot was probably about the most rigorus scientific test that can be done. Also, its results repeated the findings of an eariler test that debunked a false experiment.

Dont hate maths, its done an awful lot for you.