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Should David Bain get compensation?
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Each one makes our cops at the time look if not corrupt, incredibly inept
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Binnie's.
Cases adjudicated prior to the removal of the Privy appeal may still be appealed to the Privy Council. The removal goes back to Helen Clark, in 2003.
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So what do you think of the Collins and Fisher rebuttal? Do you agree it seems Binnie studied the evidence and Fisher studied the law? That Collins was playing god as a lawyer who had also never studied the evidence?
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You'll never find me saying anything positive about Collins.
Binnie and Fisher seem to work across each other, both quoting precedents, but the main thing is that the evidence is not clear. That point is unarguable.
Bingo!
Yes, I do recall that case and it's a great example. They can't even do the obvious things.
I can even sum them up in a single word: dysfunctional.
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No-one had a better motive that Robin for killing his family. He had been well thought of and a respected leader in his community, but his world had come tumbling down. His career was in ruins, he was separated from his wife and lived in a squalid little caravan parked outside of the house, and then came the final insult... his barely-out-of-school prostitute daughter Laniet was about to expose to the world that it was all a façade, by blowing the whistle on Robin's dirty little secret; that he was a chronic kiddie-fiddler who had been sexually abusing her for many years.
At one time, Robin had been a very calm and considered person but as his life became a trash pit, so he underwent a huge change in personality becoming prone to fits of rage and anger.
While much of the forensics point to David, they were so badly compromised by the appalling lack of procedural competence of the Dunedin police crime scene unit, that much of it was all but unusable.
A big deal was made of David's fingerprints in blood on the rifle, but in the end, the forensic scientists were unable to determine if it was human or animal blood. If Police were to print my Remington 700 (.270) they would likely find my fingerprints in blood all over it. I use to use it for for deer hunting; you will struggle to gut a deer without getting blood on your hands.. Both David and Robin used that gun for hunting too, so that is no big deal at all.. in fact, I would be surprised in the rifle didn't have David's fingerprints on it.
At one time, Robin had been a very calm and considered person but as his life became a trash pit, so he underwent a huge change in personality becoming prone to fits of rage and anger.
While much of the forensics point to David, they were so badly compromised by the appalling lack of procedural competence of the Dunedin police crime scene unit, that much of it was all but unusable.
A big deal was made of David's fingerprints in blood on the rifle, but in the end, the forensic scientists were unable to determine if it was human or animal blood. If Police were to print my Remington 700 (.270) they would likely find my fingerprints in blood all over it. I use to use it for for deer hunting; you will struggle to gut a deer without getting blood on your hands.. Both David and Robin used that gun for hunting too, so that is no big deal at all.. in fact, I would be surprised in the rifle didn't have David's fingerprints on it.
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This completely correct.The pattern of this wrongful conviction is repeated a thousand fold. Collins can look forward to a detailed email from me on this and the other cases this appalling specimen of humanity understands but would rather play the red tailed devil on.
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Sorry, but I used almost exactly that as an analogy the other day.
And you're still wrong on reading the case. This is the only part that matters:
Our cops are useless, arrogant, self-serving and incompetent.
But it isn't easy being a cop and I truly believe we get the police society deserves.
If we only had those guys off TV working on our cases, the Bain/Thomas saga wouldn't still be running in our justice system. I just can't wait for the George Tairoa case to come up. You just know it's going to be another hotbed of scant evidence and lack of popularity.
I suspect the police believed Bain was guilty, but we do not deserve a police force who reached a conclusion a commoner like Joe Karam could so easily disprove. As I keep saying, if you read his book, you will no longer be able to agree with the police allegation. But you say you are not interested in his book. Activists usually write books because they can prove their findings. Bitter Hill for Arthur Thomas, Lynley Hood for Peter Ellis, Ian Wishart for Tamihere, Mike White for Ewan MacDonald, Keith Hunter for Scott MacDonald, the unpublished book by Geoff Levick for Mark Lundy, a score of books for Amanda Knox.
Sorry, but I used almost exactly that as an analogy the other day.
And you're still wrong on reading the case. This is the only part that matters:
Our cops are useless, arrogant, self-serving and incompetent.
But it isn't easy being a cop and I truly believe we get the police society deserves.
If we only had those guys off TV working on our cases, the Bain/Thomas saga wouldn't still be running in our justice system. I just can't wait for the George Tairoa case to come up. You just know it's going to be another hotbed of scant evidence and lack of popularity.
Interestingly I see no book for John Barlowe.
Tairoa has just pleaded not guilty.
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Ian Wishart? The born-again creationist, conspiracist nerk who believes in UFOs and is as good as David Icke at finding facts?
If he's defending Tamihere, then that would say it all for me. Wishart is a lying little worm and that's all there is to it.
If you believe something he's written, you're being lied to.
I suspect you and I agree that everything since big bang is a subset of chance so my interest in Wishart is restricted to cases where he analyses things sensibly because he has the time. Preceding all these cases is Wallace James Bolton, last man hanged in 1957. Wishart argues convincingly he was innocent. David Bain is part of this sequence and why there is not a PhD thesis to explain these cases to your countrymen is beyond me.
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Big deal - he's a very convincing liar.
Lots of people have been sucked into his web of made-up stories.
He "knows" who killed the Kahui twins as well.
Like I said, a snivelling piece of excrement not deserving of life. It's people like him that make me want to renounce my anti-violence stance, because if ever there were a bloke in NZ needing a good forcible attitude adjustment, it's Ian Wishart.
Strongish. David Bain would scarcely expect a fringe crime analyst in our country, who is accurate on Tamihere and Bolton, to also state that intelligent design is replacing Darwin and Dawkins on evolution.
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Are there any murderers locked up in NZ that you don't believe are innocent?
The Wishart story on Tamihere is 100% fabrication. I am amazed that you're prepared to believe him, but it does highlight your bias towards anyone claiming innocence, despite Wishart being insane and a conspiracist.
Ian Wishart truly believes:
Climate change isn't happening. (despite enormous evidence)
A Chinese spy bought Vector Energy in 2006 (despite the fact that AECT still owns it)
That Darwin was wrong and a god created the universe and earth, fully built.
That gayness is a choice.
In Noah's flood.
That Heidi Paakkonen was still alive when Tamihere was arrested.
He may believe the moon landings happened, but if so, it's possibly the only true fact he believes.
Hard Cheese and I batted around the Tamihere case, worth reviving the thread if you know something I don't. I haven't read Wishart on that case, but really Tamihere was arrested because he was in the car like Bain was in the house. We must stay on topic though, much as I would like to discuss other failings of Latta and Wishart as a path to discrediting their views on the crime cases. .
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From my personal perspective
Wrongly Convicted
Arthur Allan Thomas
Scott Watson
Mark Lundy
Teina Pora
David Dougherty
Guilty and Convicted
Malcolm Rewa
Clayton Weatherston
Glenn McNeill
Jules Mikus
Graeme Burton
Bailey Junior Kurariki
William Dwyane Bell
Rightly Exonerated
Ewan McKenzie
Undecided
David Bain
John Barlow
Murray Kestle
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No argument with any of those.
Or them. What a list of shame - some absurdly psychopathic people on that list.
Yep.
I'm very confident on Baino and even more so on Barlow. I guess it's possible someone else could have killed the Thomases, but the odds of it happening the way it would have had to to implicate Barlow must be trillions to one against.
Also, there's some pretty strong hearsay evidence that Thomas was about to nail Barlow's hide to the wall. Those guys had lots of loans that never got written in any books.
I'd never heard of Kestle. He's been out of jail for long enough that if he were ever going to prove his innocence, you'd think it would have happened by now. Interesting case, from a very cursory scan.