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Should David Bain get compensation?

Can't be done, hence the loose usage of the term "factual" in this case.

That said, he probably deserves compo for the stupid pigs screwing the case up so badly.

Yet again.

If they had preserved the flaming evidence, this wouldn't have happened.
 
Just prove he didn't do it. This isn't rocket science

Can't be done, hence the loose usage of the term "factual" in this case.

That said, he probably deserves compo for the stupid pigs screwing the case up so badly.

Yet again.

If they had preserved the flaming evidence, this wouldn't have happened.
Oh yes it can. By the traditional multiple data points that infest these cases.
From memory
1. The glass lens was provably not there in the original crime scene.
2. The luminol footprint could not be contained within the dimensions of Davis's much longer foot.
3. The computer was proved to be turmed on a few minutes before David was clocked walking into the house.
4. There was blood photographed on Robin Bain's hands.
5. Robin had motive and opportunity. He had piles of unmarked student work in his caravan. He had essentially abandoned teaching. He was screwing his daughter, and she was about to bust him for it.
6. There was blood inside the silencer. Possible only from a contact shot.
 
Oh yes it can. By the traditional multiple data points that infest these cases.
From memory
1. The glass lens was provably not there in the original crime scene.
2. The luminol footprint could not be contained within the dimensions of Davis's much longer foot.
3. The computer was proved to be turmed on a few minutes before David was clocked walking into the house.
4. There was blood photographed on Robin Bain's hands.
5. Robin had motive and opportunity. He had piles of unmarked student work in his caravan. He had essentially abandoned teaching. He was screwing his daughter, and she was about to bust him for it.
6. There was blood inside the silencer. Possible only from a contact shot.

Did he have seven foot arms to shoot himself?

Why did he wash his clothes?

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Did he have seven foot arms to shoot himself?

Why did he wash his clothes?

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The add on silencer was no problem for a tall man. The crime is much more logical, you do not want to survive and try to explain a quintuple homicide, but quadruple homicide suicide tidies the loose ends.

On the blood in the silencer, here is something to refute.

Having had a broadcasting complaint upheld against him, Bryan Bruce is reported to be keen to make another 'documentary,' I guess he needs the work. He comes across confident in his ability to do better than last time without realising (or admitting) that he didn't touch upon key evidence against Robin Bain, a number of items for example, the upward trajectory shot and no shielding of the blood spatter that showed no one else was present - bit hard to be a murder Bryan when old daddy was there by himself.
Also the blood and brain matter found deep inside the barrel, old Bryan apparently didn't want to talk about this because he didn't have the necessary shadowing and appropriate music, so it remains a problem for Bryan how to explain such strong forensic proof against old daddy, particularly if Bryan wanted to switch back (why not - all the other hangbainers have tried it) to a close contact shot - because a close contact shot would have meant the spatter was shielded by the gunman, but Bryan knows there was no gunman there, and no appropriate music or shadow - so he just left it out and chased a photo-copier salesman instead. Bryan didn't want to talk about that spatter on Robin's shoes occluded as being from his own wound (that proved it Bryan, that it was daddy what done it - so you left that out as well.)

Also I can understand why Bryan left the strip search of David out because it showed that David was a suspect from the outset but more importantly that he didn't have any scratches on his chest. Well, I've got an idea for ya Bryan, how about a show called 'The Bain Murders - what I left out.' I'd watch that.

Nostalgia-NZ I hope you don't mind me posting that. Your work is of far too high a quality to languish.


Look, that same Bryan Bruce that solved the Lundy case before the plods, by shifting from one completely impossible scenario to another.
 
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Oh yes it can. By the traditional multiple data points that infest these cases.
From memory
1. The glass lens was provably not there in the original crime scene.

Irrelevant and does not speak to either guilt or innocence, but dirty cops.

2. The luminol footprint could not be contained within the dimensions of Davis's much longer foot.

The pig in charge was a moron - that is abundantly clear from his evidence and statements. Without having the actual footprint, anything else is speculation. The blood-soaked sock used in tests can not have been the same as the one used - there is no possible way of knowing how much blood was on it, so scientifically, replication is impossible. If the carpet still existed, those questions would be answerable.

Certainly works for a not guilty verdict, but does not speak to innocence.

3. The computer was proved to be turmed on a few minutes before David was clocked walking into the house.

Clocked by whom? There is no evidence to show the actual time David arrived home.

4. There was blood photographed on Robin Bain's hands.

Which, considering they were dead at the time, wouldn't have been too hard to contaminate.

Where were the signs of a life-and-death struggle with the 14 yo boy?

5. Robin had motive and opportunity. He had piles of unmarked student work in his caravan. He had essentially abandoned teaching. He was screwing his daughter, and she was about to bust him for it.

Oh yeah, highly verifiable. How convenient that she was "just about" to report it after 'years and years' of abuse.

To me, it's as much a position against Baino as Robin.

Baino had the opportunity without doubt, and maybe the thought of it all coming out was too much for him?

Also, why would Robin say that David was the only one who deserved to live? What was wrong with the 14 yo? Was he a sinner? Baino was a 23 yo working part time because he was a loser with no skills.

He has every reason to commit the murders. In a single bound, his family is gone from the world, he gets all the sympathy and help a bereaved young man could expect and starts his life anew.

Short of a dozen years in the slammer, that's exactly where he is right now.

6. There was blood inside the silencer. Possible only from a contact shot.

Which Robin somehow fired in a means guaranteed to look like a murder.

If you buy the idea that Robin meant to not kill David and was killing himself, the whole thing falls to bits, because if that was his well thought-out intent, he would have made 100% sure his own death was nothing else but suicide.

He washed his socks, but didn't think setting it up to look like a murder would be counter-productive?

The enormous difference between Lundy and Bain (other than Baino getting away with it) is that the evidence shows Lundy cannot be guilty.

No evidence at all exists which exonerates David Bain.
 
Irrelevant and does not speak to either guilt or innocence, but dirty cops.



The pig in charge was a moron - that is abundantly clear from his evidence and statements. Without having the actual footprint, anything else is speculation. The blood-soaked sock used in tests can not have been the same as the one used - there is no possible way of knowing how much blood was on it, so scientifically, replication is impossible. If the carpet still existed, those questions would be answerable.

Certainly works for a not guilty verdict, but does not speak to innocence.



Clocked by whom? There is no evidence to show the actual time David arrived home.



Which, considering they were dead at the time, wouldn't have been too hard to contaminate.

Where were the signs of a life-and-death struggle with the 14 yo boy?



Oh yeah, highly verifiable. How convenient that she was "just about" to report it after 'years and years' of abuse.

To me, it's as much a position against Baino as Robin.

Baino had the opportunity without doubt, and maybe the thought of it all coming out was too much for him?

Also, why would Robin say that David was the only one who deserved to live? What was wrong with the 14 yo? Was he a sinner? Baino was a 23 yo working part time because he was a loser with no skills.

He has every reason to commit the murders. In a single bound, his family is gone from the world, he gets all the sympathy and help a bereaved young man could expect and starts his life anew.

Short of a dozen years in the slammer, that's exactly where he is right now.



Which Robin somehow fired in a means guaranteed to look like a murder.

If you buy the idea that Robin meant to not kill David and was killing himself, the whole thing falls to bits, because if that was his well thought-out intent, he would have made 100% sure his own death was nothing else but suicide.

He washed his socks, but didn't think setting it up to look like a murder would be counter-productive?

The enormous difference between Lundy and Bain (other than Baino getting away with it) is that the evidence shows Lundy cannot be guilty.

No evidence at all exists which exonerates David Bain.
Since you categorically refuse to read Joe's book you will remain forever deceived. The detail is stunning. David Bain is innocent by all the data points that make it murder suicide. Remember how many of these cases there are in a short period.
Just his proof that the computer was turned on before David returned from his paper round is sufficient proof, and there are many of those. Have you seen the photographs of the blood on Robin's hands, and do you know that blood was not tested? It occupied that part of the palm near the wrist that the opera glove did not protect.
You got this one wrong, but that is excusable. Everyone knew he was guilty, and Lundy is guilty. That is how this self satisfied little country rolls. They will not research.
 
House full of blown apart people and the dad has a bit of blood on one hand

Why did he wash his clothes?

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Since you categorically refuse to read Joe's book you will remain forever deceived. The detail is stunning.

Unless the evidence in the book is substantially different to that offered at the second trial - and I do not believe that is the case - your statement cannot be correct.

Just his proof that the computer was turned on before David returned from his paper round is sufficient proof, and there are many of those.

This is where you're ignoring reality.

There is no proof of when David arrived home. Ergo, there is no proof he didn't switch it on and type the message.

That is how this self satisfied little country rolls. They will not research.

Bollocks, and you know that I completely changed my mind on Lundy when presented with evidence.

In Baino's case, there is none, unless you already have the opinion that he is not guilty and Robin did it. The evidence does not stack up that Robin committed the murders.

Karam certainly exposed massive holes in both police evidence and procedure, but in terms of providing evidence of innocence, Karam's about as good at that as he was at kicking goals.
 
Unless the evidence in the book is substantially different to that offered at the second trial - and I do not believe that is the case - your statement cannot be correct.



This is where you're ignoring reality.

There is no proof of when David arrived home. Ergo, there is no proof he didn't switch it on and type the message.



Bollocks, and you know that I completely changed my mind on Lundy when presented with evidence.

In Baino's case, there is none, unless you already have the opinion that he is not guilty and Robin did it. The evidence does not stack up that Robin committed the murders.

Karam certainly exposed massive holes in both police evidence and procedure, but in terms of providing evidence of innocence, Karam's about as good at that as he was at kicking goals.
Atheist:
I consider it completely impossible to read Joe's book cover to cover and not conclude he is stone cold innocent. Japan would have a better chance of beating South Africa again in the next two decades. Get it from the library. When I returned the copy they said it was off to Nelson. You can sense my intellectual dna by touching it.
 
He just has to prove he didn't do it
The proof is in Joe's book. There are critical reasoning paths that make it clear. It makes no sense to solve a crime with hearsay when fifteen year of solid scientific research proves innocence.
 
Joe is the most madly convinced person on earth he is innocent.

Forgive me if I stick to non biased types of media
 
I don't know enough about this case to comment, but can someone explain why NZ allows the decrepit bunch of Lords, Bishops and politicians called the Privy Council to over-rule decisions of its highest courts? Kick the Privy Council into touch, for goodness sake.
 
Atheist:
I consider it completely impossible to read Joe's book cover to cover and not conclude he is stone cold innocent.

That's you, mate.

You can sense my intellectual dna by touching it.

This:

He just has to prove he didn't do it

You gave it your best shot, and I doubt you'd try to claim any better knwoledge than the judicial review. It does claim he is "factually innocent".

Except, having seen the best evidence, I conclude two things only:

1 The NZ Police are the biggest, thickest bunch of cops on the planet. Not actually evil, like US/China cops, but utter morons. Thicko, hicks that shouldn't have a job, let alone be given power.

2 There is no evidence that proves beyond any doubt that David is not the killer. At very best, you can make a case that it's Robin, but that case does not stack up, and even the defence admits it was one or t'other.
 
I don't know enough about this case to comment, but can someone explain why NZ allows the decrepit bunch of Lords, Bishops and politicians called the Privy Council to over-rule decisions of its highest courts? Kick the Privy Council into touch, for goodness sake.
We have.
Their minds are orders of magnitude better than the morons that have administered 9 wrongful findings by juries here, so it was natural they had to go.
They were showing up our dearth of talent. And this does not suit successive justice ministers here. They are keen to keep 'em locked up. Ask Arthur Thomas, David Tamihere, Teina Pora, David Bain, Peter Ellis, Scott Watson, Mark Lundy and Ewen MacDonald. (The last fluked his way through the process).

Oh and then ask Lindy Chamberlain how it feels.
 
I don't know enough about this case to comment, but can someone explain why NZ allows the decrepit bunch of Lords, Bishops and politicians called the Privy Council to over-rule decisions of its highest courts? Kick the Privy Council into touch, for goodness sake.

Lost them a while ago

Just a few major cases date from before and go there

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That's you, mate.



This:



You gave it your best shot, and I doubt you'd try to claim any better knwoledge than the judicial review. It does claim he is "factually innocent".

Except, having seen the best evidence, I conclude two things only:

1 The NZ Police are the biggest, thickest bunch of cops on the planet. Not actually evil, like US/China cops, but utter morons. Thicko, hicks that shouldn't have a job, let alone be given power.

2 There is no evidence that proves beyond any doubt that David is not the killer. At very best, you can make a case that it's Robin, but that case does not stack up, and even the defence admits it was one or t'other.
What judicial review?
 

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