Thanks, will read. May be bad for my mental health at first glance.
Should David Bain get compensation?
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Hard Cheese
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Good grief, how has this slipped under the radar?
This is where I need a picture of Captain Picard with his head in his hands.
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smartcooky
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Good grief, how has this slipped under the radar?
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My thinking is more along this line...
Whatever, it definitely warrants one of these...
The song remains the same.
David Bain could not possibly have done these murders. He returned from his paper run with printer ink on his hands, allegedly went directly to the computer, and typed a message, then waited to shoot his father. But there was no forensic trace of ink.
His defence lawyer Michael Guest was under investigation for double dipping, charging a client and legal aid services. David was of course unaware of this. Effectively Guest was stone broke. The prosecution called 80 witnesses, the defence three. David Bain himself, a forensic psychologist, and Kyle Cunningham, "a young bloke who had been living at the Taieri Beach schoolhouse with Robin and Laniet at the time of the tragedy".
This case reeks to high heaven. Judith Collins should be hunted down and sacked for playing god. LashL upthread has given her opinion of Binnie, who was hired to do a job by New Zealand. Collins over ruled him, and has taxpayer blood on her hands.
Lashl's post
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285834
David Bain could not possibly have done these murders. He returned from his paper run with printer ink on his hands, allegedly went directly to the computer, and typed a message, then waited to shoot his father. But there was no forensic trace of ink.
His defence lawyer Michael Guest was under investigation for double dipping, charging a client and legal aid services. David was of course unaware of this. Effectively Guest was stone broke. The prosecution called 80 witnesses, the defence three. David Bain himself, a forensic psychologist, and Kyle Cunningham, "a young bloke who had been living at the Taieri Beach schoolhouse with Robin and Laniet at the time of the tragedy".
This case reeks to high heaven. Judith Collins should be hunted down and sacked for playing god. LashL upthread has given her opinion of Binnie, who was hired to do a job by New Zealand. Collins over ruled him, and has taxpayer blood on her hands.
Lashl's post
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285834
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What on earth are you on, mate?
There wouldn't be five taxpayers in the entire country who are upset that we're not paying Baino a few mio to get on with his life and lovely wife.
Taxpayers are actually pretty happy with Big Jude on this one.
Instant coffee.
I am reading Karam's book, and he has done the work for the police the prosecution and the taxpayer.
I haven't even got to the part where he will obviously explain dad went from room to room shooting people, leaving a bloody mess, but did not touch any blood. David of course went from room to room touching the blood, so looks like the killer. But I put on the Sherlock Holmes hat now. Try it you might look great.
Hard Cheese
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The problem is, when you start overriding compensation payments for wrongful convictions, you encourage sloppy police work and imaginative prosecutions if there are no financial consequences to such activities. I'd be happy if the millions were paid to Bain, and the Christmas party and travel junket budgets for the Police, MOJ and Judith Collins were cut by a similar amount.
I think we are dealing in New Zealand with an extremely egregious and disgraceful series of public lynchings of innocent people, with a smugness in Wellington that is frankly disgusting. I believe there is a way forward with a smart analysis of these cases, that follow the same well worn pattern as the many American cases. There is no great rush to get the analysis correct and focussed, but I am sure it can be achieved.
The media in New Zealand are woefully soft on these matters, I guess because they value their networks ahead of justice.
It is my increasing belief that doubtful cases are almost always cases of wrongful convictions.
I might try to understand John Barlowe again.
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Many of them may not have.
Baino is not one of them.
There is only possible murder perpetrator. And he can never again be charged with the crime.
Neat.
Baino is not one of them.
There is only possible murder perpetrator. And he can never again be charged with the crime.
Neat.
smartcooky
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You are suffering from confirmation bias. There are serious questions about all of the convictions threaded in this section, that's why they're here and that is why we are debating them them
I'm quite sure that samson is happy enough that.....
Stuart Murray Wilson,
George Charlie Baker,
Peter Steven Waihape,
Clayton Weatherston,
Jason Somerville,
Michael Scott Wallace
Shane Randle
Anthony Paul Doyle
Antonie Dixon
David Konia
Michael John Curran
Malcolm Rewa
Joseph Stephenson Thompson
Graeme Burton
Bruce Thomas Howse
William Bell
....have all been rightfully convicted for their heinous crimes
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Same pageism.
I am interested in constructing a venn diagram, and working out why Ellis, Pope, Tipping, France, McNicholl, Collins, Adams, Cummings,
Oh the names missing will be filled in.
Smartcooky, Atheist, Hard Cheese, Cullennz and so on.
This job is straightforward.
Here is the email that Justice Binnie sent in rebutting the arrant nonsense written by Mr Fisher, the hired gun and retired judge retained by the disgraced Judith Collins.
Note he makes the following points.
1. David Bain is factually innocent.
2. Fisher does not know or claim to know the relevant evidence.
3. He claims Binnie did not use an "osmotic" (my paraphrased brief term) process where he would assemble the evidence in totality and ignore an inconvenient data point.
4. All parties agree that the killer made the luminol footprint and Robin Bain could not be near the locale according to the prosecution.
5. The print was way too short for David Bain to have made it, but correct length for Robin.
6. Binnie is engaged with evidential and factual substance, but Fisher requires legal form to bury the compensation claim.
Another very black mark for New Zealand and its woeful compliance with international standards of justice.
Binnie writes as though he understands the correct way to unravel a crime case.
file:///C:/Users/Admin.Admin-PC/Downloads/07%20Response%20from%20Justice%20Binnie%20(1).pdf
Note he makes the following points.
1. David Bain is factually innocent.
2. Fisher does not know or claim to know the relevant evidence.
3. He claims Binnie did not use an "osmotic" (my paraphrased brief term) process where he would assemble the evidence in totality and ignore an inconvenient data point.
4. All parties agree that the killer made the luminol footprint and Robin Bain could not be near the locale according to the prosecution.
5. The print was way too short for David Bain to have made it, but correct length for Robin.
6. Binnie is engaged with evidential and factual substance, but Fisher requires legal form to bury the compensation claim.
Another very black mark for New Zealand and its woeful compliance with international standards of justice.
Binnie writes as though he understands the correct way to unravel a crime case.
file:///C:/Users/Admin.Admin-PC/Downloads/07%20Response%20from%20Justice%20Binnie%20(1).pdf
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That's your desktop link!
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Ok - I'll play.
Interesting legal use of the word "factual" because it is not. It is factual in terms of the evidence presented, but only because the cops screwed up in not preserving the damned evidence.
Or, more correctly, the dumb pig who measured it was even dumber than the average cop and doesn't know the difference between an incomplete footprint and a partial footprint.
The justice system worked fine - it was the cops, not justice, who screwed it up. Evidence must be preserved.
It wasn't.
Interesting legal use of the word "factual" because it is not. It is factual in terms of the evidence presented, but only because the cops screwed up in not preserving the damned evidence.
Or, more correctly, the dumb pig who measured it was even dumber than the average cop and doesn't know the difference between an incomplete footprint and a partial footprint.
The justice system worked fine - it was the cops, not justice, who screwed it up. Evidence must be preserved.
It wasn't.
Oh ok, a bit tough for me. Copy that text and post to google and it works.
He took the stand at the first show trial. Look how that worked out for him. Amanda Knox took the stand. Look how that worked out for her.
Until you read the work of unpaid activists you will be forever deceived by the closed shop in NZ.
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