Shooting at Ft Hood.

[Bikewer]

Watching some of the YouTube footage..... Fox News very quickly reported that an individual named "Booker" was involved. An Islamic convert who had been questioned by the FBI in regards to his Jihadist tendencies. They gave his Islamic name and all.....

Turns out to have been a Hispanic soldier who was in a dispute with a fellow motor-pool trooper.

When I was in the army many years ago, the "brass" was extremely paranoid about weapons being in the hands of the common soldiers. All of the "issue" weapons were very carefully controlled, at least in principal.
We had very frequent room searches for weapons and other contraband; we had to open all lockers and such and the inspecting officers or NCOs could feely go through your stuff.

Now, this was little impediment to individuals who wanted weapons of various sorts. All manner of non-firearm weapons were freely available on the German economy. Switchblade knives, brass knuckles, spring-loaded batons, straight razors... All easily available....And easily hidden or simply carried on the person. (No one was ever patted down).
One of our platoon members was involved in an incident; he was a loan shark and was convinced his "partner" was stiffing him. He simply waited till he was assigned to guard duty and was issued ammunition for his .45 pistol. When he got off shift he went to the guy's room and threatened him with the weapon. (He was almost shot dead by the duty sergeant...)
A search of his belongings after he was taken away by the MPs found several hand grenades hidden under his wall locker.

 

[MG1962]

My point is that instead of simply expressing sadness for the senseless loss of life and then waiting for the facts of the case to come to light you chose to start off with a tirade against those who oppose all forms of gun control. It may turn out to be justified finger pointing but at this point we don't know where the firearm(s) he used came from, it is a military base after all.

I've grown weary of watching debate after debate over firearms where people pay no more than lip service to the pain and suffering of the victims of these sorts of incidents, being interested only in pushing whatever agenda they have, be it guns for everyone or guns for no one. My apologies if you are not one of those people.

I think a lot of it is media driven, no sooner has incident X concluded and the talking heads spring into action - Speculate speculate speculate - With no information they have nothing else to do to try and stay relevant.

Then we have the secondary issue created by forums. Someone has to predict what liberals, conservatives, gun lover, gun haters will do. We will be told what our reaction is to be, and often why, with suitable political slur thrown in - usually these predictions come from those ill equipped to make such predictions.

 

[332nd]

Watching some of the YouTube footage..... Fox News very quickly reported that an individual named "Booker" was involved. An Islamic convert who had been questioned by the FBI in regards to his Jihadist tendencies. They gave his Islamic name and all.....

Turns out to have been a Hispanic soldier who was in a dispute with a fellow motor-pool trooper.

When I was in the army many years ago, the "brass" was extremely paranoid about weapons being in the hands of the common soldiers. All of the "issue" weapons were very carefully controlled, at least in principal.
We had very frequent room searches for weapons and other contraband; we had to open all lockers and such and the inspecting officers or NCOs could feely go through your stuff.

Now, this was little impediment to individuals who wanted weapons of various sorts. All manner of non-firearm weapons were freely available on the German economy. Switchblade knives, brass knuckles, spring-loaded batons, straight razors... All easily available....And easily hidden or simply carried on the person. (No one was ever patted down).
One of our platoon members was involved in an incident; he was a loan shark and was convinced his "partner" was stiffing him. He simply waited till he was assigned to guard duty and was issued ammunition for his .45 pistol. When he got off shift he went to the guy's room and threatened him with the weapon. (He was almost shot dead by the duty sergeant...)
A search of his belongings after he was taken away by the MPs found several hand grenades hidden under his wall locker.

Ah... I was wondering why my BiL suddenly went quiet on facebook.

 

[SezMe]

He's OK. He's facebooking his status so it's a huge load off.

Homosexuality won't be the downfall of the USA. Nor guns. Nor weed. Nor sodomy. Nor feminism.

No, the verbization of nouns will be the leading cause of our death spiral.



.... now back to our regularly scheduled gun thread.

 

[SomedayGirl]

I had heard over the weekend that in the month of March there were no deaths of American service personnel in Iraq or Afghanistan. Good news, surely.

Now this? It's just horrific.

 

[Cain]

Watching some of the YouTube footage..... Fox News very quickly reported that an individual named "Booker" was involved. An Islamic convert who had been questioned by the FBI in regards to his Jihadist tendencies. They gave his Islamic name and all.....

Turns out to have been a Hispanic soldier who was in a dispute with a fellow motor-pool trooper.

The liberal media never learns. Why let a good story get in the way of the facts, right? Whatever, go back to worshiping Dear Leader.

 

[catsmate]

Watching some of the YouTube footage..... Fox News very quickly reported that an individual named "Booker" was involved. An Islamic convert who had been questioned by the FBI in regards to his Jihadist tendencies. They gave his Islamic name and all.....

Turns out to have been a Hispanic soldier who was in a dispute with a fellow motor-pool trooper.

Gee, how surprising. I assume Fox haven't actually said, "we were wrong" yet?
I hope that ends badly for them.

Homosexuality won't be the downfall of the USA. Nor guns. Nor weed. Nor sodomy. Nor feminism.

No, the verbization of nouns will be the leading cause of our death spiral.

 

[Travis]

Don't worry. The Right Wing knows what is really up with all this.

I am all for some non-stop and FULL ON “urban renewal” of any and EVERY mosque! Religion of peace, my fishbelly white arse! Those are DENS of terrorist training, and until the rest of the “cant we all just get along” crowd owns up to it...this horsechit will NEVER stop!

If the shooter is a trangendered black, Holder will not only refuse to prosecute, but award him a marksmanship pin.

I think people have had enough with the social experiment. This May be the shot heard around the world.

internment camps might be a good start

In view of the fact the media will not tell us the name, it is reasonable to assume a middle eastern name…i.e….muslim.

The mediots have been well trained.....”Not terrorism” is the immediate default report.

You’ll know it was a muzzie if they take 2-3 days to ID him...

More work place violence at Ft. Hood will be official meme.

I’m sure it’s the same type of incident, but we’re sure never going to hear anything about it. The Army just told the press they can’t interview witnesses. (You know, the ones who heard this latest Muslim convert yelling “Allah Akhbar.”)

The dead shooter was Muslim.

Take that to the bank.

My name is Mohammed Abdullah Hussein, but YOU can call me Ivan Lopez!

Yeah. Like the other soldiers didn’t want to convert to Islam, maybe?

The name doesn’t matter if he’s a convert. We’ll never hear his Muslim name, in any case.

Perhaps he is Chechnian, and his dad was an illegal immigrant from Mexico.........hell, it makes as much sense as anything we are gonna hear from the MSM in the next few days!

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3140217/posts?q=1&;page=1

So much more in that thread.

But the important thing is that it definitely was a Muslim no matter what.

 

[332nd]

I think people have had enough with the social experiment. This May be the shot heard around the world.

... Wut?

 

[AlBell]

Good things there were guns there to prevent this....
or something like that

Given that the number of folks with PTSD and on VA prescribed SSRIs is way too large someone may one day decide the gun-free edict for military bases no longer makes sense.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Watching some of the YouTube footage..... Fox News very quickly reported that an individual named "Booker" was involved. An Islamic convert who had been questioned by the FBI in regards to his Jihadist tendencies. They gave his Islamic name and all.....

Did they really?

MSNBC went off on the 'PTSD caused it' when that was merely something considered in a psych work up.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Homosexuality won't be the downfall of the USA. Nor guns. Nor weed. Nor sodomy. Nor feminism.

No, the verbization of nouns will be the leading cause of our death spiral.



.... now back to our regularly scheduled gun thread.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I think a lot of it is media driven, no sooner has incident X concluded and the talking heads spring into action - Speculate speculate speculate - With no information they have nothing else to do to try and stay relevant.

It's the business model for cheaply produced 24 hour news.

 

[bigred]

So sorry for the families/etc of those lost. If these people are that far gone, please, just do YOURSELF in. Taking others with you pretty much ensures you earn my eternal disgust and zero sympathy.

Too bad; this is the price of freedom, right gunnutters? **** happens, right gunnutters? More guns would have prevented this, right gunnutters?

Yes, do pls work on derailing this with political BS. Certainly not enough of that going on. And don't worry, you already have plenty of company. Can't wait for another one of those fun, useful gun debates to break out.

 

[Travis]

... Wut?

They seem to have a thing against non-whites being in the military. Strangely they seem to blame this all on Obama as part of some grand plan of his to lead America to defeat at the hands of Jihadists.

 

[Mudcat]

CT folk will be having their fun with this one.

Sadly, this was my first thought as soon as I heard about the event.

 

[truthseekershelley]

Rather a few militray base shootings in recent days. Very sad to see.