Shanksville Debris 8 Mile Field?

[chris lz]

1) Where did he play it?
2) Who corroborate this?
3) Why isn't this phone call available to the public then like every other call made to 911 all over the country?
(minus the 9/11 Arlington calls & 9/11 calls from Indian Lake too)
4) Source?

1- The FBI played it for him when the flight 93 families went to hear the CVR.

2/4 -It was reported here: http://web.archive.org/web/20041101...com/content/2002/11_28/news_cover_story.shtml (courtesy 911myths) This link http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011207dispatcher1207p3.asp quotes the person who actually spoke to Felt on the plane. No mention of smoke or explosion. That makes it, IMO, better documented than the original report.

3-Why should it be? Is it true every call made on 9/11 was released? I've never heard that before. Anyone else, is this true?

 

[Walter Ego]

This link http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011207dispatcher1207p3.asp quotes the person [John Shaw, the Westmoreland County 911 dispatcher] who actually spoke to Felt on the plane.

Presumably, Shaw spoke to the paper before he was ‘gagged' by the men in black.

 

[TC329]

1- The FBI played it for him when the flight 93 families went to hear the CVR.

Oh, so this is just another "I'll have to take Big Brothers word for it" kind of thing?

2/4 -It was reported here: http://web.archive.org/web/20041101...com/content/2002/11_28/news_cover_story.shtml (courtesy 911myths) This link http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011207dispatcher1207p3.asp quotes the person who actually spoke to Felt on the plane. No mention of smoke or explosion. That makes it, IMO, better documented than the original report.

"He told me he locked himself in the bathroom ... his plane had been hijacked," Shaw said.
"He was crying, frightened, scared, anxious," Shaw said. "There was absolutely no doubt" that he was telling the truth about the hijacking.
"I told him to stay calm," Shaw said. "It was a last-ditch effort."
Shaw got as much information as possible from the man before the jet was out of range and the connection was broken.
"John did one good job," said Glenn Cramer, the 911 supervisor who monitored the call after Shaw alerted him that it was about a hijacking in progress.

So in this article because the paper doesn't mention that part, your claim is thats proof it didn't take place?

3-Why should it be? Is it true every call made on 9/11 was released? I've never heard that before. Anyone else, is this true?

I said 911 calls. Not 9/11 calls. I also point out the only 911 calls supressed all seem to have been made on 9/11.

 

[Walter Ego]

I said 911 calls. Not 9/11 calls. I also point out the only 911 calls supressed all seem to have been made on 9/11.

Suppressed by the gag order you mentioned, I assume. The one you mentioned earlier and didn’t explain expect to say it exists, correct?

 

[Reheat]

So in this article because the paper doesn't mention that part, your claim is thats proof it didn't take place?

So, news articles which support your fantasies are correct, but those that don't are wrong. Uh huh, I understand.

UA93's FDR indicates every system was operating normally at impact.

UA93's flight path was tracked by ATC and there were no fighters close enough to shoot it down.

UA93's debris field was normal for it's speed, impact angle, and type of soil.

No UAV's in existence either then or now are capable of conducting the maneuvers you allege.

UAV's operational AFTER 9/11/2001 carry Hellfire missiles only. None carry or are capable of carrying air-to-air missiles or a gun.

Witnesses, investigations, and DNA evidence are conclusive and establish that UA93 crashed in that field in PA.

Your delusions are simply a bunch of fantasizing junk!

 

[Calcas]

Yes, that’s what I meant. More specifically, does ‘gagged’ mean they couldn’t talk to you? Or, more likely, that they didn’t want to talk to you or that they didn’t tell you what you wanted to know?

TC329/Terrorcell/Dominick has been told that his "gag order" nonsense is a lie over and over again.

I suspect you're right that someone might have told him at some point "we can't talk about it" as a means to get his nutty ass off the phone. Much like I tell the telemarketer "I can't talk right now" even if I can.

At any rate, I've called him on this before yet he insists on perpetuating the same lie...go figure.

Here is what I posted to him last year.

Dom your accusations about gag orders, at least pertaining to Johnstown ATCT, is a lie.

I'm ex-ATC. I know one of the controllers that was on duty that day. His name is Tom Hull. He, and his supervisor Dennis Fritz, remained in the tower without evacuating.

I asked him about it a few months ago and he said they get a call "now and again" from 9-11 conspiracy nuts and they simply tell them "we're not supposed to talk about it."

But, they can and they do.

There is no gag order. Please stop lying about it just because they don't want to talk to a nut like you.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3146129&postcount=111

 

[chris lz]

Oh, so this is just another "I'll have to take Big Brothers word for it" kind of thing?

I'd advocate not taking anyone's word 100%. It's more a question of whether one thinks first hand reports are generally more trustworthy than second hand ones. In this case, your choice is between one second hand report (Glen Cramer) who "read off a transcript;" and two first hand quotes (John Shaw and Gordon Felt) who both heard the call. Neither is absolute proof. But I'd tend to go with the first hand accounts.

So in this article because the paper doesn't mention that part, your claim is thats proof it didn't take place?

No, that seems to be your claim about me. I never used the word "proof." It's a question of probability and quality of evidence, not proof. Would you agree?

I said 911 calls. Not 9/11 calls. I also point out the only 911 calls supressed all seem to have been made on 9/11.

Sorry, my fault. Still, how do we know every 9/11 related call to 911 was released? How can we know this?

 

[Walter Ego]

Gag Me With A Spoon!

TC329/Terrorcell/Dominick has been told that his "gag order" nonsense is a lie over and over again.

I suspect you're right that someone might have told him at some point "we can't talk about it" as a means to get his nutty ass off the phone. Much like I tell the telemarketer "I can't talk right now" even if I can.

Well, that's what I suspected, too.

'Oh, God, that nut's on the phone again! What should we tell him?'

'Tell him we can't talk about it and maybe he'll stop calling.'

 

[uk_dave]

The BBC will not ever let you see their interview uncut.

I HAVE.

Really? How did you get to see the un-edited BBC interview?

Methinks this is just part of your 'cloak and dagger' fantasy life. Care to prove me wrong?

 

[Walter Ego]

Please Watch then.

Really? How did you get to see the un-edited BBC interview?

Methinks this is just part of your 'cloak and dagger' fantasy life. Care to prove me wrong?

He was talking about his Shanksville video interview linked in the first quote. Apparently he's shown his and the BBC is supposed to show theirs.

 

[uk_dave]

Ahhhh right.

Amazing how badly worded statements can be taken out of context.

 

[Disbelief]

I'm one up in the credibility department. While I haven't talked to Tom or Dennis I did talk to someone who was there that day and they confirmed a shoot down to and that they aren't allowed to speak about it.

So someone is keeping them silent.

How convenient. Why should we believe you again?

 

[Calcas]

Well then I guess its my word against yours.

You're an anonymous internet poster who was offered to "give me a tour" of Johnstown ATC since you're friends work there and you said you were going to bring a camera so you could catch it all on film.

I agreed and you backed out.

I'm one up in the credibility department. While I haven't talked to Tom or Dennis I did talk to someone who was there that day and they confirmed a shoot down to and that they aren't allowed to speak about it.

So someone is keeping them silent.

Tom & Dennis know the plane was shot down too.

You backed out of it......not me.

Not lets see if Weick backs out of letting me expose the massive deception the BBC is helping the Neonazicons carrry out against the American people with their deceptive manipulation of Mrs. McElwain's and Ms. Weyant's accounts.

I did not "offer you a tour." My exact words were,

"I'm in PA myself. I'm tempted to arrange a tower tour for you just so I can tape it and bust you on YouTube."

TEMPTED, get it???

Your replies included,

"Arrange your little tour. Please I would love to ask all the guys there about all the other planes they had to have seen and know about that morning."

After reading this and the rest of your nonsense I decided it would be unwise to subject actual controllers (at work) to your insanity.

I also love how you, Craig, Aldo, and Rob constantly harp on the "anonymous internet poster" bit when ALL of you were anonymous until just a few months ago. Does that make everything you researched and claimed prior to that invalid?

There is a reason most of us debunkers prefer to remain anonymous. We don't need nuts like you tracking us down and harassing our families and employers.

Robbie is especially big on demanding real names and phone numbers of those who disagree so he can "verify" things.

Yeah, right.

One last thing. ONLY Tom and Dennis were in the tower cab when this all went down. You do know that, don't you? So how can someone else "know" about a shoot down?

You'll never get it because crazy people don't know they're crazy.

 

[Calcas]

There is a reason most of us debunkers prefer to remain anonymous. We don't need nuts like you tracking us down and harassing our families and employers.

I don't usually quote myself but Aldo just made this post at lcf to another poster "AMTMAN." This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.


"On a sidenote, Mr. anonymous poster from JREF,

Why won't you acknowledge any of the other work PFT has done? Why do you focus on this when they have proven so much with the FDR?

Why won't you tell us who you are? You know no one will do anything to you.

We need you to prove that one, you work for AA. Two how long you've worked for AA.

Why won't you tell us? We are technically investigative reporters now. We are public figures now, why in the world would we "threaten" or hurt you?

I think everyone knows why you won't disclose your identity to us and allow us to verify your length of employment with AA. Because your document was created after the info was discovered and published and you don't really work for AA.

We can sign an agreement and have it notarized. You would be completely safe.

We need to verify your identity and employment with AA."


I love this part.

"Why won't you tell us? We are technically investigative reporters now."



My God, the delusions you and the CIT nuts have is beyond anything I've ever seen.

And yet we should give you our personal information...

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=39100&t=97376

 

[uk_dave]

"Why won't you tell us? We are technically investigative reporters now."



My God, the delusions you and the CIT nuts have is beyond anything I've ever seen.

And yet we should give you our personal information...

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=39100&t=97376

It does boggle the mind. Do they have no idea how stupid that sort of comment makes them...... oh nevermind, of course they don't, they're 'truthers' beyond parody.

 

[funk de fino]

It does boggle the mind. Do they have no idea how stupid that sort of comment makes them...... oh nevermind, of course they don't, they're 'truthers' beyond parody.

I liked the "Public figures" bit

so was OJ Simpson......oh wait a minute......

 

[TC329]

I did not "offer you a tour." My exact words were,

"I'm in PA myself. I'm tempted to arrange a tower tour for you just so I can tape it and bust you on YouTube."

TEMPTED, get it???

Your replies included,

"Arrange your little tour. Please I would love to ask all the guys there about all the other planes they had to have seen and know about that morning."

After reading this and the rest of your nonsense I decided it would be unwise to subject actual controllers (at work) to your insanity.

Either that or you're not Tom's acquaintace and an actual friend and he most likely advised you against it. Especially if you mentioned the part where I said someone there confirmed the shoot down to me in private and off the record.

I also love how you, Craig, Aldo, and Rob constantly harp on the "anonymous internet poster" bit when ALL of you were anonymous until just a few months ago. Does that make everything you researched and claimed prior to that invalid?

While I can't say when any other CIT or PFT member made their name public mine has been public since early 2005 when I started posting at the original LC board. Just because I used the moniker Terrorcell doesn't mean my identity was ever hidden.

There is a reason most of us debunkers prefer to remain anonymous. We don't need nuts like you tracking us down and harassing our families and employers.

Waaaaaaaaah!!! What a lame excuse. You really think I have nothing else to do with my time than call your house or your employer? Someone needs to pop that swelled head of yours. You are beyond irrelevant to the Truth Movement and only someone like Troy from West VA would do such a thing.
Don't confuse us with your own ilk.

The only thing that would be different is you would actually be held accountable to your words. Then everyone would know if you really were a former ATC'er or some janitor talking crap on the internet like an authority.

Robbie is especially big on demanding real names and phone numbers of those who disagree so he can "verify" things.

You're absolutely right. When someone slanders Rob and the work of PFT from an anonymous outlet he calls them on it. I understand why they want to hide and attack his character from their anonymous outlet though and that's because PFT is dead on and truthful in their analysis.

That's why the "Alex Jones'" of this movement avoid them.

One last thing. ONLY Tom and Dennis were in the tower cab when this all went down. You do know that, don't you? So how can someone else "know" about a shoot down?

I know all about the evacuation. There's no need for me to disclose anything that could possibly jeopardize their identity.

You'll never get it because crazy people don't know they're crazy.

Ad-hom doesn't discredit anything.

 

[Calcas]

I liked the "Public figures" bit

so was OJ Simpson......oh wait a minute......

Another great quote from the same rambling...

"We can sign an agreement and have it notarized. You would be completely safe."

Damn, the whole thing should be a Stundie.

 

[uk_dave]

Another great quote from the same rambling...

"We can sign an agreement and have it notarized. You would be completely safe."

Damn, the whole thing should be a Stundie.

Not only are we intrepid investigative journalists but we also have the power to protect little people such as yourself.

It must be tiring being that humble.

I wonder how the prosecution of those really responsible for 9-11 is coming along......

 

[Jonnyclueless]

You're absolutely right. When someone slanders Rob and the work of PFT from an anonymous outlet he calls them on it. I understand why they want to hide and attack his character from their anonymous outlet though and that's because PFT is dead on and truthful in their analysis.

Bizzaro world lives on!