Shamanism, Satan, and Kenworths

I do know that Kitten2 spent a whole year at school studying the religions of the world. They had Buddhist monks in to visit and talk (they even visited them at their monastary and planted bulbs in the Fall as a present). They had a Jewish Rabbi in, and a serious Christian leader (and Episcoplain, not a fundie), and even a Wiccan. The odd part is how little we really KNOW about these religions. For instance, Kitten2 really liked the Buddhists, but they told her they were never allowed to touch women. She was like, "even if I needed CPR???" and then said, "forget your stupid religion". She came away pretty much an atheist. Because they did include some wonderful writings by atheists, she got a clear picture of why being an atheist is a good thing. She felt they were the most honest of the lot. I think she's kind of hanging on to being an agnostic now...

Still, live anywhere your son can meet a REAL Native American shaman (certain mind altering substances are part of some Native religions, so be warned)? I mean, really go and talk to the people. See how it influences their lives and such. If you just get your information from books and such, you will get a real warped view. I found the more I exposed the girls to REAL religion, and then of course shared my beliefs, the more they just gravitated toward a skeptic belief system. That's because I know it is right, and true. I have (no kidding here) faith in it.

Plus, the kids is going to go through stages. What I would say is focus him on college. Even a community college, where I dare say he can get financial aide. Hey, it isn't based on grades anymore, it's based on need. And don't worry about the home schooling, they'll let him in as it is pretty common these days. I started out at a community college, living in a rented room paying for everything myself. I get kind of thin from not eating much besides Raman noodles! But even community college was such a wonderful eye opener. Have your wife take him to the local community college for the day. Talk to people there(they usually are open all summer). Heck, have him take a test about what he might be good at (I have to say my test came up with "minister" as one of my top choices!). Get him to feel enpowered about himself and not something outside of himself.

But, good for you, as you have made your moral choices and your family choices clear. You don't like that stuff, and he should know that. A family that always says, "whatever you want honey, why should I stifle you" doesn't have a parent...and kids want parents.

good luck!!!
 
zaayrdragon said:
Dancing David,

Please note I did say,

meaning the list of PAGANS goes ON AND ON- I was just touching on a few of the more evident ones. (And by saying True Pagan or True Witch, I was NOT asserting they are the only RIGHT witches - only that they believe themselves to be true and are often looked at by others to be true as well.

After all, any belief system is true for he/she who believes it.

Hey Zaay, sorry if I seemed snippy. I apologise.
 
I don't know about "what's a few years"....

I see kids get lost and settle. And I see other kids not give up and go for it. The difference between those who end up doing something they love and those that settle, are those that settle give up.

Seriously, a visit to the local community college will get him motivated. Ask if he can sit in on some classes. They should be small in size. Heck most community colleges have some great 2 year programs. I have one kid I know who I talked into sticking it out for a 2 year degree as a respritory therapist. Now he works with kids with asthma, old people with lung problems, even the dying. He wasn't the brightest kid I knew, but he was great with people. He wanted to be something cool like a doctor, but couldn't have afforded or really handled the work. Now, he's cool with his tattoos, rides a cool motorcycle he bought himself, and everyone has a big smile I'm told when he walks in the room.

Focus on the future and hey, it's not that hard to get there! Your son sounds so smart, maybe that's why this shaman stuff appeals to him. Show him that THIS world can be interesting and exciting too. Ask him what he's interested in doing and ask someone in that profession if he can "follow" them for part of a day.
 
RoadToad

Just a idea,you mention abuse from people in the name of Jesus from a church,

you mention your son saw this and is also perhaps angry as well. and you cant blame him.

Now is going for an alternative that is not your alternative or even your other sons.

Maybe deal with the original anger first as it is the fuel.

I had a nephew who workied for me, steal my credit card # and run up porn on it and the family sided with him over me who had actual proof

It tore me up until I tried old fashioned forgivness. Doesnt mean he wasnt a jerk but it was good for my heart to get rid of the anger and hurt.

Im not advocating you run back to church dont misread this, I dont wish to offend you, because it can be a club with alot of idiots in it. The 7 churches werent perfect either, like the saying goes its hard to remember the original job was to drain the swamp when your up to your "hips" in alligators.

Anyway, please take this for how its meant.
 
zaayrdragon said:
because life is too short and uncertain to waste it trying to 'get rich'.
I have to part ways with you here...
I am of the belief that life is too short not to be rich!

Would you wish upon your child a 50 hour work week with 2 weeks vacation per year from 22 to 62?! I would wish upon mine the education, motivation, and foresight to make as much as possible in the shortest allotted time, invest wisely and heavily, and retire early. All the while having, traveling to, and doing the things that most people only dream of.
 

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