Sexual Education

[Mr Manifesto]

*sigh*

No one. (Well, maybe the transgendered are hurting themselves. I can't imagine anyone doing that to their own bodies.) I have friends who are each, including transgendered. What I'm saying is, who decides what is acceptable and what is not?

Let's go to a logical extreme. Is pedophilia and incest acceptable or unacceptable? I think it is, but that's my opinion. Someone else may have a different opinion on the issue. Do I get to choose who teaches what is morally acceptable to my kids or does someone else?

Again you are comparing apples to oranges. There can be no issue of consent with paedophillia. There is consent between homosexuals of a sufficient age. The same goes for incest -or at least the type that is policed. If two adults who are closely related as sister or brother are having a sexual relationship for a start this sort of relationship is rare and for a second these people don't have to worry about being beaten in public unless they wear t-shirts saying "I'm with incest".

You seem to be trying to say that school is not the place to teach moral lessons. That is ridiculous. Schools teach morals to their students all the time such as the moral of capitalism. What the difficult question is -what do we collectively want as a society and what is the best way to acheive this aim?

 

[Tony]

Why is it ok to indoctinate kids with the idea that homosexually it ok, but not ok to indoctrinate a kid with patriotism or loyalty to country? Just courious.

 

[Sundog]

You seem to be trying to say that school is not the place to teach moral lessons. That is ridiculous. Schools teach morals to their students all the time such as the moral of capitalism. What the difficult question is -what do we collectively want as a society and what is the best way to acheive this aim?

You are ignoring the quite obvious fact that, this being America, nothing is going to be taught in a public school for long that isn't a consensus of the opinions of the people that pay for it. You have the cart before the horse; it is first necessary to get the ADULTS to agree.

"Educating" people what to think "for their own good" is most certainly social engineering.

 

[aerocontrols]

You seem to be trying to say that school is not the place to teach moral lessons. That is ridiculous. Schools teach morals to their students all the time such as the moral of capitalism. What the difficult question is -what do we collectively want as a society and what is the best way to acheive this aim?

I again state my opposition to top-down requirements for such socialization. Please consider all the moral issues which you and the majority disagree upon.

MattJ

 

[Mr Manifesto]

Why is it ok to indoctinate kids with the idea that homosexually it ok, but not ok to indoctrinate a kid with patriotism or loyalty to country? Just courious.

Do you seriously expect me to believe that they do not teach patriotism in schools in America?

 

[Sundog]

Why is it ok to indoctinate kids with the idea that homosexually it ok, but not ok to indoctrinate a kid with patriotism or loyalty to country? Just courious.

Mark this day on the calendar, Tony, I agree with you 100%. Both are totally out of place in a school.

 

[aerocontrols]

Do you seriously expect me to believe that they do not teach patriotism in schools in America?

Do you believe it should be required by the federal government that schools do so?

 

[Mr Manifesto]

Do you believe it should be required by the federal government that schools do so?

It doesn't need to be required by the federal government. It already occurs. People are not harmed by patriotism. There is nothing to counter here. People are harmed because they are homosexual. This ignorance needs to be countered.

Let me counter your question with a question. Do you think that it is right that children are taught not to inhale aerosols in school?

 

[Tony]

Do you seriously expect me to believe that they do not teach patriotism in schools in America?

How old are you? When was the last time you were in a public school for the purpose of learning?

 

[Mr Manifesto]

How old are you? When was the last time you were in a public school for the purpose of learning?

I do not understand your question.

 

[aerocontrols]

It doesn't need to be required by the federal government. It already occurs. People are not harmed by patriotism. There is nothing to counter here. People are harmed because they are homosexual. This ignorance needs to be countered.

Lots of ingnorance needs to be countered. I hope you never find your preferred brand of ignorance at stake.

Let me counter your question with a question. Do you think that it is right that children are taught not to inhale aerosols in school?

To the extent that anti-drug programs are required by the federal government, I oppose them, if that's what (huffing) you're talking about.

MattJ

 

[Tony]

I do not understand your question.

How old are you?

When was the last time you were in a public school?

Better?

Im trying to understand how you think patriotism is taught in schools.

 

[jimlintott]

I sort of agree with Mr Manifesto. Schools should be teaching tolerance. I'm sure they already make racism an issue just broaden it to include more groups.

I'm not sure that Sex Ed class is the right forum. For practical reasons. Many of the bible thumping homophobes don't even want heterosexual sex taught. Some don't want science taught. As for teaching ethics (probably the best place to deal with it) these thumpers figure we should just post the ten commandments somewhere. Unfortunalety Johnny can't read.

Illiteracy contributes to ignorance. Hatred is usually a product of ignorance. Teach Johnny to read. Maybe he'll figure it out on his own.

 

[Mr Manifesto]

Perhaps it is because I'm Australian. Maybe I've presumed to much.

Do they sing the national anthem in American schools?

Do they have the American flag?

Are American soldiers remembered on a certain day and on that day are their praises sung?

Do the celebrate Presidents' Day at American schools?

How is the colonisation -after the Native Americans- of America taught?


aerocontrols- I have asked 'Do you think that it is right that children are taught not to inhale aerosols in school?' Perhaps I have picked a question too politically loaded for you. Let me ask another question. Do you think that it is right that children are taught not to play with matches in school?

 

[Tony]

Schools should be teaching tolerance.

Why?

 

[Tony]

Perhaps it is because I'm Australian. Maybe I've presumed to much.

Do they sing the national anthem in American schools?

Do they have the American flag?

Are American soldiers remembered on a certain day and on that day are their praises sung?

Do the celebrate Presidents' Day at American schools?

How would any of this constitute teaching patriotism?

How is the colonisation -after the Native Americans- of America taught?

Its different from state to state. But I had a really good, anti-revisionist teacher that taught the facts and politics of the time. This enabled us students to understand the context of the Indian Wars.

 

[Mr Manifesto]

How would any of this constitute teaching patriotism?

If you cannot see then I'm afraid you are wasting my time.

 

[Upchurch]

What the difficult question is -what do we collectively want as a society and what is the best way to acheive this aim?

And who decides that? And if I disagree am I allowed to teach my children otherwise?

 

[Mr Manifesto]

And who decides that? And if I disagree am I allowed to teach my children otherwise?

Of course you can. What sort of stupid question is that? Unless you know of schools where children are locked inside the classroom for ten years in a row then this is what happens in real life anyway.

 

[Upchurch]

Perhaps it is because I'm Australian. Maybe I've presumed to much.

It's just the difference of theoretical knowledge versus practical knowledge.

Do they sing the national anthem in American schools?

Nope. The closest it got in my high school was playing the national anthem before basket ball games.

Do they have the American flag?

One. Outside. Along with the state flag.

Are American soldiers remembered on a certain day and on that day are their praises sung?

Heh. You'd be lucky to find an American grade school kid who knows that Memorial Day isn't just for getting out of school for a day, let alone actually singing praises for the verterans.

Do the celebrate Presidents' Day at American schools?

Again, just another day off from school.