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Sept. 11 widow Beverly Eckert probably killed in Buffalo plane crash

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This from Buffalo news, officials have not yet to confirmed:

One of the victims of Continental Flight 3407, Beverly Eckert, was a Sept. 11 widow who put her never-ending grief to good use to make the country safer.

Just last week, Eckert was at the White House with Barack Obama, part of a meeting the president had with relatives of those killed in the 2001 attacks and the bombing of the USS Cole to discuss how the new administration would handle terror suspects.

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Eckert was part of a small group of Sept. 11 widows, mothers, and children who became amateur lobbyists, ultimately forcing lawmakers in 2004 to pass sweeping reforms of the U.S. intelligence apparatus.

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After the 2001 attacks, she co-chaired the 9/11 Family Steering Committee, a group of activists devoted to exposing government failures that led up to the 2001 attacks, and fixing them.

She pushed for a 9/11 Commission. She pushed the Bush administration to provide more information to the commission. And when the commission's work was over, she pushed Congress to adopt their recommendations.
http://www.buffalonews.com/260/story/578451.html
 
you should see what they're saying at the LCF. I swear what they say over there is funnier than any joke I've ever thought of.

I'm curious to see the rest of the passenger manifest. Any bankers like the Hudson crash plane?

Is anyone watching CNN right now? They just had a guy on who sounded just like a paid actor from 911. He kept on reiterating how he thought it was a small plane because there was nothing left of it at the crash. This is beginning to stink...

They keep this up, I'll be brain dead by noon
 
She was on her way to celebrate her late husband's birthday.

Eta: according to CNN
 
Must have been another 9-11 truther assassination.

Heh... 911files actually opened this topic over in Lupie's thread. As he said: "This should get the conspiracy bells ringing".

And I soapboxed my own opinion about that line of thought.

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As an aside: I proposed that some posts relevant to Beverly Eckert in that other thread be moved here. It's up to the mods, of course, but it's a move that makes sense.
 
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Horrible coincidence. I remember on the CBS 60 Minutes special this weekend on the US Air crash into the Hudson, one of the passengers turned out to have had a brother who died on 9-11.
 
Horrible coincidence. I remember on the CBS 60 Minutes special this weekend on the US Air crash into the Hudson, one of the passengers turned out to have had a brother who died on 9-11.

Damn... I didn't know that. If that guy decided to never, ever fly again for the rest of his life, could anyone blame him? I sure as hell couldn't.
 
Damn... I didn't know that. If that guy decided to never, ever fly again for the rest of his life, could anyone blame him? I sure as hell couldn't.

I was nearly killed in a small aircraft once... Still will fly though.

For future reference;

• If the airport you are in is surrounded on all sides by dense woods, the air temperature on the ground is MUCH cooler than the air temperature at treetop level.

• Ice cold fuel weights more per gallon than room temperature fuel.

• The ground effect can mislead you.

• Children can collect an amazing weight of rocks and arrowheads in a week.
 
you should see what they're saying at the LCF. I swear what they say over there is funnier than any joke I've ever thought of.





They keep this up, I'll be brain dead by noon

As another poster here has said, everytime one of us tries to do a parody of the Twoofers, the Twoofers themselves make our efforts look pitiful.
 
Horrible coincidence. I remember on the CBS 60 Minutes special this weekend on the US Air crash into the Hudson, one of the passengers turned out to have had a brother who died on 9-11.

No such thing as "coincidence" in trutherville. I expect full on Woo on this one. Mark my words, the next episode of Alex Jones Show, will get right to it, and the investigoogling paranoiacs will gobble it up.

TAM:)
 
From today's Buffalo News:

Eckert was traveling to Buffalo for a weekend celebration of what would have been her husband's 58th birthday. She also had planned to take part in presentation of a scholarship award at Canisius High School that she established in honor of her late husband.

That proves it: Canisius is a Jesuit school and we all know about those guys when it comes to conspiracies. Coincidence? What's that?
 
In addition to Ms. Eckert:

Four employees from the Amherst office of Northrup Grumman, a defense contractor.

More fodder for the insane.

Has there been one single plane crash since 9/11 that the woo-woos think wasn't carried out by the NWO as part of their evil plan to cover up one nefarious plot with another nefarious plot?

Linky: http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/578574.html
 
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From what I can see she managed to walk the tightrope of asking tough questions without quite being a Truther. There's an article by Nick (I'd debate Gravy but I'm too much of an intellectual snob) Levis that cites something Beverly wrote in 2003:

I've chosen to go to court rather than accept a payoff from the 9/11 victims compensation fund. Instead, I want to know what went so wrong with our intelligence and security systems that a band of religious fanatics was able to turn four U.S passenger jets into an enemy force, attack our cities and kill 3,000 civilians with terrifying ease. I want to know why two 110-story skyscrapers collapsed in less than two hours and why escape and rescue options were so limited.

It is my impression that she was pushing more for investigation into building methods and materials than controlled demolition, which is reasonable.

I just testified last week in a public hearing by (New York) City. Even after the attack happened, there were people who were killed at the point of impact and in the immediate aftermath, but so many people died because the buildings collapsed and the evacuation was so difficult, and it was because of the way that the buildings were constructed. There's never been a building like that before, designed or constructed in that way, it was done for purposes of cheap construction as well as high rental, maximizing floor space, which made it a very unstable building for fire, not for other things like wind and impact. It did stand up over the years and it did stand up to the impact of the planes. But it was very vulnerable to fire, very vulnerable. And there's an entity called the Port Authority (of New York and New Jersey) which oversaw that, which endorsed all this questionable construction and maintenance. And they're still out there, operating, and they're going to be landlords again and they're building buildings again. And the purpose of the Skyscraper Safety Campaign is to make sure the Port Authority is subject to building codes. They're not, right now. Not subject to any building codes. They can build whatever they want. And they say, we meet code, we meet or exceed code. They said the World Trade Center met or exceeded code and it did not. Sometimes the government can be very abstract, but it's not an abstract thing. Those buildings are going up. The reforms are needed immediately, they need to be built safely.

My read is that she really was "asking questions and demanding answers" unlike so many of the folks we encounter.
 
Killtown's cesspit of liquid stupid are already calling conspiracy on this story.

My God, the amount of stupid over there. One fool is actually suggesting that Ms. Eckert's husband is actually not dead because his name is not listed on the Social Security Death Index!

Just as an informational point to the lurkers, newbies, and other readers who might not know this, but the Social Security Death Index is not a database of everyone who has died in the United States. It lists only the names of the dead who were receiving Social Security payments. Therefore, at age 51, Mr. Rooney would not be on this list.

The names of the thirteen 9/11 victims who were Americans and over age 65 are listed in the Social Security Death Index.

Do these people ever get tired of being wrong?
 
From what I can see she managed to walk the tightrope of asking tough questions without quite being a Truther. There's an article by Nick (I'd debate Gravy but I'm too much of an intellectual snob) Levis that cites something Beverly wrote in 2003:



It is my impression that she was pushing more for investigation into building methods and materials than controlled demolition, which is reasonable.



My read is that she really was "asking questions and demanding answers" unlike so many of the folks we encounter.

I agree. And the questions were not anywhere near about 9/11 being an "Inside Job", and more about governmental failures. That second extended excerpt you have sounds very much like she had read Astaneh-Asl's questions about the Towers construction, and to the best of my knowledge, his concerns are completely legitimate.

That's one reason that I see trutherism as having the potential to be honestly damaging: It distracts from legitimate concerns voiced about the Twin Towers' performance. Now, I'm not saying that either NIST or Astaneh-Asl is wrong when I say that. Rather, all I'm doing is pointing out that Astaneh-Asl's raised issues - legitimate ones as far as I'm concerned - that have nothing to do with deliberate demolitions, and everything to do with code and construction. Others here disagree on whether they're correctly identified or not - I think I remember some of the engineers here(rwguinn? Or Dave Rogers? I forget) said so when I first posted that opinion. But the point here is not whether Astaneh-Asl or other critics like Quintierre (or even groups with differing but legitimate narratives like Arup) are right or not, the point is that he and others have raised concerns that are worthy of discourse. In the case of Quintiere's issues, they have been the topic of hearings. But, 9/11 conspiracy peddling raises the possibility of concerns like those to be sidetracked by a red-herring induced wild goose chase. And that would have honest and real ramifications in architecture and building safety/structural engineering.

Yes, I'm well aware that the architectural and engineering communities aren't going to drop what they're doing just to listen to truther hyperventilation. That's why I call it a "potential" for sidetracking, not an actual existant threat. But, as is seen in medical government policy, there are enough vaccine/autism believers in government to cause serious distractions in that field, and it has the very real potential to cause medical policy diversion and waste of medical research resources. 9/11 conspiracy peddling's nowhere near that level, true, but still, it's potential I'm highlighting here. It could happen. And that would be a terrible waste and distraction.
 

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