Sent in my application today.

[Flange Desire]

I see your recent posts Neutralize, but I do not see any attempt by you to develop a test protocol.
Why is that?

 

[case sensitive]

Ahh... now I get it! I remember the feeling of that special someone's uterus. You saw her at school and got all exited and almost sick to your stomach. But I never knew that I was feeling her uterus.

"Did you touch my daughter?"
"No, I swear I only felt her uterus!"

If that had happened we all know what would have followed:

"In A.D. 2101
War was beginning.
Captain: What happen?
Mechanic: Somebody set up us the bomb.
Operator: We get signal.
Captain: What !
Operator: Main screen turn on.
Captain: It's You !!
Cats: How are you gentlemen !!
Cats: All your base are belong to us.
Cats: You are on the way to destruction.
Captain: What you say !!
Cats: You have no chance to survive make your time.
Cats: HA HA HA HA ....
Captain: Take off every 'zig' !!
Captain: You know what you doing.
Captain: Move 'zig'.
Captain: For great justice."

And all because of her uterus...

 

[nathan]

I accept that there is a difference between a picture of a cow and the number seven, but I do not accept that there is a difference between a picture of a cow and a picture of the number seven. Numbers are different from pictures. Pictures of numbers are not different from pictures of anything else. It's just lines.

Look up synaesthesia^WP, and I think you'll see a difference. You'll see that there is a difference between a picture of a cow and a picture of a number. Although both will be processed by the visual cortex, the number will be recognized as a number and processed by the numerical bit of the brain too -- you can't turn that off.

 

[Mendeli]

uh, as for cards and stuff. the easiest way top do that is ryhme. We could pretty much talk to each other and write down each others thoughts.

What do you mean by "the easiest way top do that is ryhme"
I'm sorry, as English isnt my primary language, I have trouble understanding your sentence.

As for my other questions, would you like to answer them?

The questions are in the tenth post of this thread.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1612055&postcount=10


Having done that, I would find it interesting if you could propose what you would think would constitute a successful demonstration of your claim.

 

[tkingdoll]

Look up synaesthesia^WP, and I think you'll see a difference. You'll see that there is a difference between a picture of a cow and a picture of a number. Although both will be processed by the visual cortex, the number will be recognized as a number and processed by the numerical bit of the brain too -- you can't turn that off.

OK, I read the article, and I don't think it addresses my point. Firstly, the article seems to say that with with Synaesthesia (which apparently occurs in 10% of people) sometimes see the colour red as the number 7, or associate a b minor with the smells of strawberries, etc.

I'm talking about the difference between a drawing of a number and a drawing of anything else. In my earlier post I used the number 8 and a very basic snowman as an example - those two images are almost identical, so I don't see how Synaesthesia accounts for the telepathic transmission of one, and not the other. If you see the number eight as red, then you will also see the eight in the snowman and see that as red too, so I'm not sure what difference it makes.

Synaesthesia - if it is a real neurological condition and not simply a psychological effect, for example the person 'tasting' hamburgers with their hands is most definitely imagining it, otherwise it'd be paranormal - seems to apply only to numbers, letters etc that the sufferer recognises. There is even an example in that Wiki article of someone who is learning Chinese, and is starting to see the characters as colours (where, presumably, they didn't before the characters became recognisable to them). So if this neurological difference you refer to can explain why a telepath could transmit a drawing of a cat but not a drawing of a four (because they recognise the four as a number and process it differently), a number in, say, Japanese, shouldn't present a problem.

From the links I've looked at via that Wiki article, I'm not convinced that Synaesthesia is a significant phenomenon. Take this case study from the pages of the UK Synaesthesia Association:

Carol uses here synaesthetic experiences as inspiration for her artwork. This painting shows the colour images that were evoked during an accupuncture session. Her descriptions imply a richness of colours, movement and texture: "Lying there, I watched the black background become pierced by a bright red colour that began to form in the middle of the rich velvet blackness. The red began as a small dot of colour and grew quite large rather quickly, chasing much of the blackness away. I saw green shapes appear in the midst of the red color and move around the red and black fields."

If you're being poked with needles (and perhaps having endorphins released to the brain), it's hardly surprising that you see pretty swirly colours. Especially if you're an artist and given to creative flights of fancy.

I do appreciate that you are saying that numbers are processed by the brain differently to other images, but I don't accept Synaesthesia as evidence of that. Also, that reasoning only applies if the telepath/psychic/whoever is familar with the characters, otherwise the brain would not know to process them differently, and it doesn't account for images that are similar to numbers or have numbers in them.

 

[Forty-Two]

If you see the number eight as red, then you will also see the eight in the snowman and see that as red too, so I'm not sure what difference it makes.

Okay, I think that synethesia is far, far away from the topic at hand, but since I have it (and am all but confirmed as a non-woo), I thought I'd add my two cents. If you were to show me the numeral for the number eight, my brain would associate it with a specific shade of yellow. If you were to show me a snowman, it probably wouldn't trigger the yellow unless it was quite obviously meant to be an eight -- that is, I don't identify just any two circles placed one on top of another as the number eight.

Now, if you were to show me the number eight in Roman numerals, I wouldn't see yellow, I'd see red and white because my brain interprets V and I as different information from an 8.

As to whether synesthesia is a "significant phenomenon," I'd say it really doesn't do that much. It exists; I have it and have been tested for it, but it's not like it gives me any greater insight into the human condition or anything. It may give me a slight edge in remembering numbers and dates, but I haven't found any use for it other than a mnemonic aid. If you have any questions about my own personal experiences with synesthesia, feel free to PM me or start a new topic.

Again, though, I don't think it has anything to do with the topic we were discussing, which is how to test whether Neutralize can send information telepathically.

 

[Art Vandelay]

That's not what I'm saying. I accept that there is a difference between a picture of a cow and the number seven, but I do not accept that there is a difference between a picture of a cow and a picture of the number seven.

But what I'm saying is that it is different, because a picture of the number seven gets sent to your language center, rather than your visual processing center. When you're shown a picture of a the number seven, you don't see a picture of the number seven. You just see the number seven.

If you see the number eight as red, then you will also see the eight in the snowman and see that as red too, so I'm not sure what difference it makes.

Just because there is something shaped like the number eight doesn't mean that it will be perceived as the number eight.

So if this neurological difference you refer to can explain why a telepath could transmit a drawing of a cat but not a drawing of a four (because they recognise the four as a number and process it differently), a number in, say, Japanese, shouldn't present a problem.

Possibly. But it may still trigger the language processing of the brain; when someone speaks Japanese, I don't know what they're saying, but I do recognize it as speech.

What do you mean by "the easiest way top do that is ryhme"
I'm sorry, as English isnt my primary language, I have trouble understanding your sentence.

Do you understand that he meant to say "the easiest way to do that is rhyme"?

 

[SirPhilip]

If you're being poked with needles (and perhaps having endorphins released to the brain), it's hardly surprising that you see pretty swirly colours. Especially if you're an artist and given to creative flights of fancy.

I'm fairly certain even a large release of endorphins (which can be naturally induced by crying or sustained exercise) wouldn't produce any visual artifacts.

 

[webfusion]

Neutralize, do you have a photograph of you standing together with this female acquaintance? Post it here, that would be a good start...

Not that we doubt your veracity or anything, but so far, we have seen extremely little in the way of replies from you here that focus on the matter at hand. A picture of the two of you would go a long way to illustrating that she is even aware of your existence.

 

[Scottie99]

No. really we don't even see each other regularly. we only talked like three times at school. We both have heterochromia(one blue eye and one green eye). We sometimes run sround playing hide and seek in the middle of the night.

New to that word. After all my years of having one blue and one brown eye. Glad to have a name for that finally.

 

[Neutralize]

Test Protocol

Well in the first few responses to my original post, I have decided to keep it simple. I thought of a test protocol that I think would work.

Have the both of us monitered by cameras with syncronized timeclocks as we go about our daily routine, but talk outloud what we are communcating. For example JREF representative randomly asks her to pick an object, say a word, read something etc. and compare the recorded evidence at the end of the day.

 

[Scott Haley]

Well in the first few responses to my original post, I have decided to keep it simple. I thought of a test protocol that I think would work.

Have the both of us monitered by cameras with syncronized timeclocks as we go about our daily routine, but talk outloud what we are communcating. For example JREF representative randomly asks her to pick an object, say a word, read something etc. and compare the recorded evidence at the end of the day.

If the two of you go around talking and doing things all day long, at the end of the day there will be some correspondence between the hundreds of things that you both say and do during the course of a day.

You say that you can taste what she's eating.

How about this:

1) The two of you are put into separate rooms, where you can't see, hear, smell, etc. one another.

2) She is given a random food by a neutral tester. Neither of you are given a clue about what food she'll get.

3) She eats the food. You taste what she's eating from your room, and report. If you can consistently know what she's eating, I think you'll get the million.

--Scott

 

[Flange Desire]

Well in the first few responses to my original post, I have decided to keep it simple. I thought of a test protocol that I think would work.

Have the both of us monitered by cameras with syncronized timeclocks as we go about our daily routine, but talk outloud what we are communcating. For example JREF representative randomly asks her to pick an object, say a word, read something etc. and compare the recorded evidence at the end of the day.

Not simple enough.
Forget the 'daily routine' business - do it in separate isolation rooms.

 

[Neutralize]

How have you tested this ability?

Any "blind" tests?

if you're talking to your friend now telepathically, is there a chance that she will remember that discussion next time you see her?

OK to answer a few questions, yes we have tested this ability. As I said we play hide and seek in the middle of the night. She will let me know where to find her and I'll go look. Whenever I look into her eyes I like hyperventalate and everything looks like Stark Trek when they go into warp speed. She often visits my back yard at night and knocks on my walls etc. to tease me.

As for remembering the conversation, she knows about the challenge, and is scared to attempt it in fear of ridicule or that we will be sucessful. I'm going to try to talk her into it when I see her on Tuesday(hopefully).

 

[Neutralize]

Taste, smell, touch, words, pictures, numbers, bring it on! All in the name of science.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Hi Neutralise. Welcome, and good luck with your application.

OK to answer a few questions, yes we have tested this ability. As I said we play hide and seek in the middle of the night. She will let me know where to find her and I'll go look.

That is the least paranormal thing I have heard from an applicant. Are you sure that is what you meant to say?

Whenever I look into her eyes I like hyperventalate and everything looks like Stark Trek when they go into warp speed.

How is this related to telepathy? It does sound like a bit like love to me, though.

She often visits my back yard at night and knocks on my walls etc. to tease me.

Again, this is not paranormal at all.

Please give us more examples of specific occasions where you have read your friend's thoughts. It should help you understand your strengths and weaknesses, and help create a test protocol.

Best wishes.

 

[Ririon]

...How is this related to telepathy? It does sound like a bit like love to me, though. ...

You,ve got it baaaad, Neutralize... Anyway: If you have told her about your "paranormal symptoms", she knows about it, too. Telepathy or not. And evidently she's not running away. I think you might have something here. It's not a million dollars, but for once, I don't feel bad about informing a deluded applicant about that.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Taste, smell, touch, words, pictures, numbers, bring it on! All in the name of science.

Neutralize, you have to bring it on. But you do not have to deliver the whole smorgasbord you brought up.

Pick one ability - preferably words or numbers.

Tell us, how you intend to demonstrate your abilities.

Tell us what you think constitutes a successful "telepathic transfer". Please also define who "sends" and who "receives".

Quite understandably, fear of ridicule plagues most applicants. You can counter your fears by running several tests yourself.

A quick one: Sit in two different rooms. Have the "sender" write down the numbers from 0 to 9 in the order they are "sent". Have the "receiver" write down the numbers in the order they are "received".
Run several trials. Compare results. If you consistently get 6 out of 10 right, you seem to travel a very productive path.




Obviously, I can't speak for the whole forum gang. I feel quite sure though, that no people in their right mind will ridicule an applicant after a failed test.

Check out this thread after the test took place. It starts with post #49. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38792

 

[petre]

Since Kramer is no longer the (challenge administrator?), it's slightly more difficult to guess what the exact response to your application might be.

Still, I think the first thing you need to understand is that the protocol will NOT be just waiting for random unusual things that make you go, "Hrmn, that's interesting". I suggest you try to think of a protocol that:

1. Has a distinct number of trials (10 or 20 is common, it keeps it short and makes the math easy).
2. SPECIFIC criteria for pass/fail on each trial.

If you can succeed with such a protocol (in some statistically interesting way), passing the challenge should be a breeze. If you're not able to find anything that works with those two requirements, then I believe you'll find it very difficult, if not impossible, to work out a protocol with JREF.

It is common for applicants to lose focus in the excitement of exploring the paranormal and never "tame" it (as I say). So, as others have suggested, your best chance of success is to focus on one aspect that is most likely to "behave" for you as you attempt to develop a protocol.

 

[Ravenwood]

having worked with two self claimed "telepaths", the test protocol was to put them in different rooms where they could not see or hear each other, and then to give the "sender" random words from the dictionary, which the "reciever" would write down. each run was 20 words. Needless to say, nothing even approaching the odds of random chance was noted let alone signs of telepathy...