What scientifically proven facts are known to homeopathy?
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What scientifically proven facts are known to homeopathy?
That it doesn't work and that water does not have memory, well not like homeopaths think it does anyway, although it is affected by chemicals placed in it even when they are removed that doesn't actually translate to magic.
Kumar why are you invested in this particular area of fringe medicine. Herbalism is a much more scientifically viable area, especially when the herbs and tonics etc are clinically useful and on your Drs prescription pad. (Foxglove flowers and stalks) digitalis, (willow bark) acetylsalicylic acid aka Asparin, snake venom - anti venom to name but a few of many.
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When you quote another poster and reply, it appears you are speaking to that poster. My question was addressed to Kumar. Perhaps you missed my previous post.
1. While some pharmaceuticals have been derived from natural substances, most are not. Those that are have been purified and often manipulated.
2. In vitro =/= in vivo.
3. Animal studies =/= efficacy in humans.
4. There is no evidence that herbs, nutritional supplements, etc. have any proven benefits (with a few exceptions)--unless you take a vitamin for a specific deficiency, for example. So the alt med practice of taking herbs and nutritional supplements, as prescribed by naturopaths is just as bad, IMO. And they make some wacky claims--like strengthening the immune system, or detoxifying the body.
Homeopathic claims are bizarre, granted. But naturopaths aren't all that far behind... and sometimes more dangerous--when they use the examples such as those you cited to sell substances that do nothing.
I quite agree herbalism without clinical trial is akin to voodoo. Don't think I support quack medicine and snake oil, although ironically some snake oils have clinical applications. 
However herbalism when properly researched is a valuable area of medicine, if not the most important per se.
However herbalism when properly researched is a valuable area of medicine, if not the most important per se.
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Because appealing to popularity is fallacious in any argument; no matter how popular a lie may be, it is still a lie.
Then it's the parents' fault when the children die.
Why do you want children to die?
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I quite agree herbalism without clinical trial is akin to voodoo. Don't think I support quack medicine and snake oil, although ironically some snake oils have clinical applications.
However herbalism when properly researched is a valuable area of medicine, if not the most important per se.
What has herbalism got to do with Homeopathy?
Why not spend days or a couple of months on the net checking it out (since you are the one interested). Most of us here already know it's a steaming crock'o'crap* already and, with no offense, have no interest in guiding anyone along the path to understanding. New topics for us!!!
*AKA SCOC
Kumarreally? Are you really saying that the homeopaths know the facts, but that they carry on with homeopathy knowing there is no scientific backing for it and that it does not work at all?
Every practice has its OWN status, understandings & norms. If homeopath say that Conv.system is damaging to people, Conv. system will not bother. Alike homeopaths are not bothered for other system's endorssment. Then Popularity can only be the basis---whether wrong or right. Moreover Conv.System can be intrested in hijecking scientific athings, so why homeopaths will look on science?
Concentrate on just senstivity.
That it works in well distributed people at mass since long back in most parts of words.
Nothing can be said A&F(as per you people).
They are happy in themselves & becoming more & more happy..not bothered what odd to them feel or advertise.People at mass are big judge as majority is said to be authority, I am not concerned. Avoid derailing the real issue, i wanted to understand..about altred senstivity.
No, they don't. There are practices that work - these are called "medicine". Thereare practices that do NOT work - these are called "not medicine". Homeopathy does not work therefore it is not medicine.
Most homeopaths have no knowledge or ability to make a cup of tea successfully, let alone judge medical results properly.
That's right - they blatantly ignore all facts and evidence that homeopathy does not work. This is called "burying your head in the sand" - being deliberately ignorant. Homeopaths are masters at this, because if they DID take notice, they would have to admit homeopathy does not work. But that would mean they are out of work then, plus they would look VERY foolish. So they refuse to admit homeopathy is a failure because they are too big cowards to admit that and they would have to work at something else for a living.
Rubbish. Science is just the method used to determine success or failure of medical practices. If homeopathy really did work scientifically as claimed, everyone would use it. But it doesn't work, so no-one but people easily fooled use it.
Kumar, if nothing is A&F, you should be able to fly just by flapping your arms. Can you do that? Go ahead - we won't watch.
So what is the result? Did you fly by yourself? You say nothing is A&F, so when WILL you fly just by flapping your arms? Can you do it?
Oh. So as long as the kids die happy, that's all that matters, right?
No, the majority of people are ignorant, especially in matters of science. The real authorities in health sciences are called "Physicians". The majority of people would not know an infundibular conceptis from a bipolar transistor.
That much is obvious. Homeopaths are not interested in the health of their customers, only in their money.
I'm not derailing the issue. You asked about homeopathy, and we've all been telling you how useless it is. I'm also telling you that people die from homeopathic treatments when real medicine could have saved them.
"Altered Sensitivity" (note the correct spelling, please) has to do with the science of anesthesiology (the use of chemical substances to increase or decrease a person's awareness of pain and other sensory stimuli) and psycho-pharmacology (the use of psychotropic substances to alter ones perceptions of pain and other sensory stimuli). If you are truly interested in "Altered Sensitivity", then obtain a medical or pharmaceutical degree, and stop playing make-believe word games about water in fancy bottles.
Homeopathy is not a science, it is a belief system (and belief proves nothing). You are wasting your time asking us to tell you how to make homeopathic treatments work, BECAUSE HOMEOPATHY DOES NOT WORK; IT DOES NOT HEAL OR CURE ANYTHING, in spite of how many deceitful, ignorant and deluded people may say otherwise.
The mere fact that someone says that homeopathy works is de facto evidence that that person is either lying, stupid, or simply not in touch with reality.
No, you can examine if the claims are accurate. The claims of homoeopathy are not.
I have no idea what you mean by this.
Allow me to translate from Kumarese. It's a bit convoluted so I have paraphrased...
"Since conventional medicine is hogging science research to itself only, why do you think homeopaths look askance at science research?"
Background: It's a very common but mistaken view by homeopaths that scientists won't test homeopathy because they know that it works and to make these results public will upset them and rock their world domination of the medical establishment. That homeopathy has been tested properly many times over with the startlingly obvious and expected (non-)results is dismissed as lies and propaganda from "those nasty establishment scientists trying to keep us down".
What has herbalism got to do with Homeopathy?
Oh dear someone not paying attention. Someone asked me a question about my comment: why chose homeopathy to focus on. If you don't like a thread derail no matter how minor I presume you can report it if you want.
A mistake. Read my OP, what I specifically mentioned about homeopathgy. As repeated many times, I was just interested to understand in understanding about Altered Sensitivity related to altered immunity, altered health & healing. I just gave a link for convinience sake. Whatever I posted in other fourm is not in their favor, as it can shake whole theory. Mr MRHans can better understand it.