"SEND HER BACK!" Will they defend this?

....But I do feel a need to give you props for your own personal effort. Thanks, and I mean that sincerely!
Thanks. When you see some politician making foolish and stupid comments like Trump does so often, don't automatically think that all that party's constituency will necessarily agree with his faux pas. I am very sure that there are at least as many Republicans embarrassed and angry at the radicalized right as there are Democrats embarrassed and angry at the radicalized left.

But the real dangerous ones are the neolibs parked in the dead center and playing both sides against each other, and with no ideology except making a buck off the chaos they generate. That's why Trump is so dangerous.
 
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First, the police officer has no more authority or ability to shoot AOC than any other citizen.

A police officer is considered an authority figure. fuelair is/was not. Is this confusing to you?


Fuelair was banned from this forum for violating the forum rules about not posting obscenities:

Fuelair has been banned for Multiple and repeated violations of Rules 2 & 9

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12728925#post12728925

From the Membership Agreement:
2. You will not post anything that is pornographic, obscene, or contains excessive reference to violence and/or explicit sexual acts. This includes representational artwork as well as photographic or video media and includes linking directly to such content from the Forum.

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9. You will not post anything indecent. This includes content that depicts or describes sexual or excretory organs or activities in an offensive manner.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25744
Rules 1 and 3 relate to criminal acts and threats of violence. As far as I know, the idea that fuelair was actually inciting violence never came up, and was never a part of the rationale for banning him. Even though he clearly and unreservedly indulged in violent ideation, including recommendations of violence against people on his partisan enemies list.

Are you arguing that fuelair's violent posts targeting conservatives were in fact incitement, and should have been treated as such? Because that's not what actually happened.

I am stating that your repeated claims that fuelair's posts were excused by membership here are false. Is this confusing to you as well?

You seem to be threatening me with unjustified violence if I don't agree with your premise and take the action you want me to take. A typical bully's tactic, and - if I may say so - probably incitement.

This is either the most stunning case of poor reading comprehension I have ever witnessed from you, or an extremely dishonest attempt at getting me carded. How's about you go back and read it again, and if you are still this confused, I'll try to walk you through your egregious mistakes.
 
Thanks. When you see some politician making foolish and stupid comments like Trump does so often, don't automatically think that all that party's constituency will necessarily agree with his faux pas. I am very sure that there are at least as many Republicans embarrassed and angry at the radicalized right as there are Democrats embarrassed and angry at the radicalized left.

But the real dangerous ones are the neolibs parked in the dead center and playing both sides against each other, and with no ideology except making a buck off the chaos they generate. That's why Trump is so dangerous.

Does Trump making the radical right comments make his constituency angry or embarrassed? If so they don't show it. In fact, they seem to like him for it.

When was Trump ever dead center politically, and when has he ever played both sides against each other? Sure, he pisses off one side while playing up to the other, but that's not what playing both sides against each other means.

Wait, is Trump a dead-center neolib, or a radical righty?
 
Does Trump making the radical right comments make his constituency angry or embarrassed? If so they don't show it. In fact, they seem to like him for it.

When was Trump ever dead center politically, and when has he ever played both sides against each other? Sure, he pisses off one side while playing up to the other, but that's not what playing both sides against each other means.

Wait, is Trump a dead-center neolib, or a radical righty?
Treb had a fairly good comment about that

Trump is not and has never been a sincere Democrat, Republican, Christian, or patriotic American. It's all about himself. His racism does seem genuine, however.
 
A police officer is considered an authority figure. fuelair is/was not. Is this confusing to you?
A police officer in uniform, standing at your driver's-side window, asking you to please step out of the vehicle, is an authority figure. An off-duty cop, posting opinions unrelated to any official capacity, in a private social media channel, is no more authoritative than any other citizen doing any similar thing.

But your argument does raise questions about official figures speaking intemperately in general, which is a subject that you seem somewhat confused about.

I am stating that your repeated claims that fuelair's posts were excused by membership here are false. Is this confusing to you as well?
The incitements to violence in fuelair's posts were tacitly accepted by the membership and staff here. While objections to his obscenities were raised from time to time, no objections to his incitement were ever raised.

But here's something that would clear up some of my confusion right away: Do you think fuelair's violent ideations here were incitements to violence?

This is either the most stunning case of poor reading comprehension I have ever witnessed from you, or an extremely dishonest attempt at getting me carded. How's about you go back and read it again, and if you are still this confused, I'll try to walk you through your egregious mistakes.
I accept your offer. But let's do this: First, address my other points - especially answering my question above, and then let's circle back and start the walkthrough of the mistakes I've made on this point. Fair?
 
The whole climate change denialist strategy and paid for Merchants of Doubt strategy was thought of, developed, and paid for by neoliberals.



See that? "Free Market fundamentalism?" That's the neoliberal think tanks in action! Same jerks who hijacked the Republican party away from conservatives. Same elitists who recruited and then put Trump in the presidency even though he is clearly ill qualified and mentally unsuited for the job. And certainly lacks the character to even be considered for such a position. Yet there he is. The link I gave you for that hour lecture spells it out pretty clearly.

The Republican Party wasn’t hijacked by neoliberalism; rather Austrian Economics and Libertarianism were hijacked by Objectivism, because it served as a justification for an aristocracy and stratified society. The landing place for this was always going to be with Conservatives, or in this case Republicans, because the type of society Objectivism promotes and anathematic to liberalism.

It’s attractive to would be aristocrats to think and promote the idea that letting them wield their wealth in almost any way they see fit is beneficial for everyone. It has however little or no connection with liberalism or the type of economic system Adam Smith was originally suggesting when he discussed “the invisible hand of the free market". Smith was envisioning a market place that was not controlled by aristocrats or monopolies, but was composed of many small buyers/seller, which is the complete opposite of removing all controls limiting how the aristocracy could leverage their wealth in the marketplace.
 
Treb had a fairly good comment about that

Actually, that comment is irrelevant. The claim being made refers to Republicans (not Trump) supporting vs being embarrassed by Trump. Given that Trump has something like a 95% approval rating within the GOP, the vast majority support Trump, rather than being embarrassed by Trump, as you claim.

You persist in claiming that some Republicans are embarrassed by Trump, and some Republicans support action against climate change, yet you also persist in ignoring the fact that both groups.....particularly the former.....are minorities. And in the case of the former, vanishingly small minorities. You seem to want to hold up the exception as being the rule; this is specifically where your persistent denial lives.
 
A police officer in uniform, standing at your driver's-side window, asking you to please step out of the vehicle, is an authority figure. An off-duty cop, posting opinions unrelated to any official capacity, in a private social media channel, is no more authoritative than any other citizen doing any similar thing.

Given that this police officer ex-police officer plus another officer who only "liked" it were fired for this post and the publicity it brought his department, I don't think your assessment of how it was related to his official capacity is shared by his office, or by many other people in general.

But your argument does raise questions about official figures speaking intemperately in general, which is a subject that you seem somewhat confused about.

I'm rubber, you're glue? Is this elementary school level taunting the best you can do? Recall, you are the one who can't tell the difference between an anonymous commenter on an obscure forum and an authority figure posting as himself on Facebook.

The incitements to violence in fuelair's posts were tacitly accepted by the membership and staff here. While objections to his obscenities were raised from time to time, no objections to his incitement were ever raised.

To remind you, you claimed that people were excusing fuelair's posts. This is the claim I called false. This is the claim you could support, if it were true. Your new claim, that nobody objected to his incitement, is probably just as false. Even if nobody ever objected, however, that is not the same as excusing them, or even accepting them, tacitly or otherwise. You are well aware that a lot of us (myself included) had fuelair on ignore, which means (as apparently this must be explained to you) that we did not see fuelair's posts. Not seeing something is not the same as excusing it, accepting it, or agreeing with it. In fact, I rather doubt anyone here has people they often agree with on ignore.

But here's something that would clear up some of my confusion right away: Do you think fuelair's violent ideations here were incitements to violence?

I rather doubt any answer I can give would clear up feigned confusion. If this confusion is genuine, I will probably have to work a while at distilling a discussion down to such a simple level. While I am doing that, perhaps you could ruminate on how, not seeing fuelair's posts, I would be able to form an opinion on them?

I accept your offer. But let's do this: First, address my other points - especially answering my question above, and then let's circle back and start the walkthrough of the mistakes I've made on this point. Fair?

Ah, yes, JoeMorgue loves this particular debate tactic you guys use.
 
I don't think I have any experience with RBF at all. I didn't read the Rural America thread since I have a pretty good understanding of it, living in NoDak and all.

Now that I think about it, didn't this same thing happen in the Bundy thread a few years back? Something about cattle stomping turtles or something?

No that was about how the more cattle you put on land the better it is always.
 
No that was about how the more cattle you put on land the better it is always.
Way way way off topic and factually incorrect. It's not even political in nature. You want to debate the biophysical with me, go to the science and education forum and be ready to bring one hell of a lot more than strawman pablum such as this.
 
Ok, RBF, since you liked my assessment of Trump, how about my assessment of your party? Which used to be my party.
I come from a long line of Republicans. I proudly wore my I Like Ike button when I was in elementary school. I'd have voted for Nixon in '68 had I been eligible, and did so in '72. Which was a mistake, but I continued to vote for Republicans after.

I didn't leave the Republican Party, it left me.

For the past forty years or so, it's become:
The party of fiscal irresponsibility, repeated tax cuts for the rich generating extreme deficits. Thank you so very not-much, David Stockman.

The party of war. Ok, Nixon inherited VietNam. And lost it. Panama? Granada? Serisously? I supported going into Afghanistan, but they bungled it. Iraq was based entirely on lies. Republican lies. And it's turned out SO very well.

The party of hate. Hatred of gays, hatred of transexuals, hatred of anyone not lily white, hatred of foreigners, hatred of women who don't know their place, hatred of foreigners, hatred of non-Christians. And of the wrong kinds of Christians.

Oh, but it was the Democrats who supported slavery! Yeah, that was 160 years ago. Give me a break. And all those Southern Dems who were against civil rights in the '60's are Republicans now.

Trump is NOT an aberration. He's what the Republican Party has been moving toward for the past 50 years. If you support that party, you support Trump whether you think so or not. And I pity you for it.

Oh, I'm going to report my post as soon as it's up and request a split. Seriously off-topic.
 
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First, the police officer has no more authority or ability to shoot AOC than any other citizen.

Considering that “any other citizen” is not issued a weapon and granted the power to use deadly force, and can’t pull-over, detain, or otherwise give commands with legal authority to other people, your statement is ridiculous.
 
I'm surprised RBF hasn't expressed more criticisms of the GOP doing nothing to stop the Trump administration from gutting the research and science staff at USDA.

Which is only jokingly related to the actual topic of the thread, as now there are two agencies that they are gutting under the guise of 'sending them' off somewhere else for the sin of adhering to facts rather than the party lies.
 
I'm surprised RBF hasn't expressed more criticisms of the GOP doing nothing to stop the Trump administration from gutting the research and science staff at USDA.

Which is only jokingly related to the actual topic of the thread, as now there are two agencies that they are gutting under the guise of 'sending them' off somewhere else for the sin of adhering to facts rather than the party lies.
Just because you did not see it, doesn't mean I haven't. You just made the absence of evidence is evidence of absence logic fallacy.
In fact there used to be at least some balance. Some of the unfortunate results coming from the regulatory captured side of the usD'ah were counterbalanced by USDA NRCS and SARE. Very unbalanced now. Almost no redeeming value at all.

It's almost as if the ideologues who hate bureaucracy purposely sabotaged the USDA so that the only part of the USDA that functioned to benefit farmers and society as a whole was gutted, leaving only the dysfunctional part behind.
 
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Now I am just one Man, but I am pushing absolutely as hard as possible. How many of you bleeding heart liberals put in that much effort? Or you just want to sit back and let someone else do the hard work of changing minds through education?

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The '70s called.

They want their knee-jerk, right wing-nut, schoolyard taunts back.
 
RBF seems to be a single issue poster with strong opinions and some subject matter expertise.

It's a unique perspective, and I'm glad it's still part of the mix here. I'm also glad that RBF feels comfortable diving into the topic whenever thread drift brings it around.


He doesn't really exhibit much reticence about diving into it whether thread drift brings it around or not.

In fact, his ability to inject the subject into just about every conversation he joins is rather amazing.

Also irritating.
 
The '70s called.

They want their knee-jerk, right wing-nut, schoolyard taunts back.
You responded to a taunt with a taunt? ironic

There was a reason for mine. I was repeatedly asked to switch to the democrat side of the isle, and no matter how I tried to explain that I do not get along with liberals any better than I get along with racists and neolibs, they were just incapable of understanding this strange paradigm. I despise both fairly equally. Unless I explain it in schoolyard terminology and taunts, they just were not getting the fact that while I may not be a racist and while I may have devoted the rest of my life to conservationism, my core beliefs are very very very different than the liberal dominated Democrat party platform. This also is displayed in the approaches to policy I would take, so it's not just a minor personality issue.

I am a Teddy Roosevelt style conservationist, not some silly GreenPeace commie treehugger environmentalist. I have literally NO respect for the latter (that includes AOC) as I strongly believe they do far more harm than good. Their only redeeming value is some of them actually care for the environment (probably not AOC) and are saddened when their naive attempts fail horribly.

What was the reason for your taunt?
He doesn't really exhibit much reticence about diving into it whether thread drift brings it around or not.

In fact, his ability to inject the subject into just about every conversation he joins is rather amazing.

Also irritating.
That one is easy. If I don't know what the hell I am talking about, I shut the **** up and listen instead. So all those times you did not see me reply? It's because I was trying to learn rather than teach. But if I see some comment blatantly incorrect , silly, or misleading about a subject I actually do know about, then I reply. So yes. if someone else derails a topic and it wanders into my knowledge base, and if it seems to invite comment, I most certainly will.
 
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Just because you did not see it, doesn't mean I haven't. You just made the absence of evidence is evidence of absence logic fallacy.

I did no such thing. I did not even claim that you had not been critical of it.

I expressed surprise that you did not express it more because it was absent exactly where one would expect it to be present. It is another case were most of your party is fine with something if not actually advocating positively for it where you would object.

You are an outlier in your party, a fairly extreme one, on this and many other issues. Sadly, your views are not representative in...well...almost any way. That doesn't mean you're not a Republican, just like these honorable Congresswomen disagreeing with Trump doesn't make them not American.

Well, actually, not like that. The general views of these Congresswomen are much more representative of the US populous than Trump's and it isn't even a valid metric in the first place, while your being at odds with 95% of Republicans does bring up the question whether or not that self-identity is actually correct.
 

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