"SEND HER BACK!" Will they defend this?

That's the same Oklahoma that ONLY elects Republicans and voted completely Trump last election.

That's not accurate. I'll grant you that it strongly trends Republican, but I think you know damn well it isn't unanimous. Kendra Horn, for example, would disagree, I believe.

And that still leaves it an open question as to what Republicans in Oklahoma are doing for climate change. For all I know, it's all due to federal incentives or Democratic Oklahoma or something else. Convince me otherwise.
 
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Convince me otherwise.
Convince you? Are you serious? I can't even convince Zaganza that Weld is Republican and I am actively supporting a primary challenger! And I have stated it so far at least 3 times! He still keeps blathering on like a fool. You convince me you are any different?
 
Convince you? Are you serious? I can't even convince Zaganza that Weld is Republican and I am actively supporting a primary challenger! And I have stated it so far at least 3 times! He still keeps blathering on like a fool. You convince me you are any different?

You know, what I had in mind was a citation.

If you can't find one, that's cool.
 
Convince you? Are you serious? I can't even convince Zaganza that Weld is Republican and I am actively supporting a primary challenger! And I have stated it so far at least 3 times! He still keeps blathering on like a fool. You convince me you are any different?

I got that.
But assuming Weld doesn't get the nomination, and then doesn't run as an independent,...

will you vote for a Democrat?

Because otherwise you are still supporting Trump.
 
Convince you? Are you serious? I can't even convince Zaganza that Weld is Republican and I am actively supporting a primary challenger! And I have stated it so far at least 3 times! He still keeps blathering on like a fool. You convince me you are any different?

For example, California is known as a reliably Democratic state. Democrats are known for supporting gun control, yet California ranks #2 in total gun ownership in all 50 states (unless I overlooked something here: https://www.thoughtco.com/gun-owners-percentage-of-state-populations-3325153 ). Of course, a big reason for that is that California has the largest population of any state, for one thing.

My point is: OK being strongly Republican and being ranked high for wind power does not imply that Republicans are to be credited for the wind power. There's far too many variables to make that connection. I'm asking if you have a cite that demonstrates a causal relationship from Republican policies to positive climate change action.
 
For example, California is known as a reliably Democratic state. Democrats are known for supporting gun control, yet California ranks #2 in total gun ownership in all 50 states (unless I overlooked something here: https://www.thoughtco.com/gun-owners-percentage-of-state-populations-3325153 ). Of course, a big reason for that is that California has the largest population of any state, for one thing.

My point is: OK being strongly Republican and being ranked high for wind power does not imply that Republicans are to be credited for the wind power. There's far too many variables to make that connection. I'm asking if you have a cite that demonstrates a causal relationship from Republican policies to positive climate change action.
Oh but that's where you completely miss the boat. It is not some government regulation here. 100% voluntary and primarily due to being profitable.
State Renewable Portfolio Standards and Goals

Same goes for the carbon project, although that is at least put together by governmental oversight, protocols and standards, it is still 100% voluntary.

Completely different than any Blue state would pass. You are so used to the idea of a nanny state you completely forgot the capitalist markets are far more efficient and accomplishing projects like this. And yet by keeping the government out, we actually have succeeded better than most.
 
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Oh but that's where you completely miss the boat. It is not some government regulation here. 100% voluntary and primarily due to being profitable.
State Renewable Portfolio Standards and Goals

I never claimed it was one thing or the other; I tossed out a couple of possibilities merely to play devil's advocate. I merely asked you to support your claim that this was a Republican action. After reading this current post, I'm still waiting on that.

Same goes for the carbon project, although that is at least put together by governmental oversight, protocols and standards, it is still 100% voluntary.

Completely different than any Blue state would pass. You are so used to the idea of a nanny state you completely forgot the capitalist markets are far more efficient and accomplishing projects like this. And yet by keeping the government out, we actually have succeeded better than most.

I'm so used to the idea of a nanny state???? You were the one claiming this was Republican action on climate change. Which you still haven't demonstrated.

And completely different than any Blue state would pass???? Wasn't the Paris Agreement (which the Obama administration had a hand in and Trump reneged on) voluntary? Disingenuous much?
 
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In 2016 I almost won Minnesota. In 2020, because of America hating anti-Semite Rep. Omar, & the fact that Minnesota is having its best economic year ever, I will win the State! “We are going to be a nightmare to the President,” she say. No, AOC Plus 3 are a Nightmare for America!
 
you want us to vote Bill Weld?

That would assure a Trump re-election.

No, Bill Weld apparently is running in the GOP primary. If enough people vote for hi he would become the GOP nomination for president. Of course that won’t happen, but it’s different from what you said.

The smart money is that the Republican Party will go with their incumbent Racist-in-chief because that’s what the party voted for the first time and that’s who they will vote for this time.
 
Holy ****...they're going to send Congresswoman Ilhan Omar to OK in order to fight climate change in a neoliberal society? Or...what the hell is going on here?
 
Context would be helpful.

I'm pretty sure plague311 was riffing on the thread title and wondering how it has anything to do with wind-farming in Oklahoma.

I was just goofing. The last few pages have been completely offbase. It is a hijack of epic proportions.

At this point the deep baritone announcer would say, "In Tonight's broadcast the role of Bob The Coward was played by Red Baron Farms".

Did the same thing in the Should Rural America be Saved thread.
 
At this point the deep baritone announcer would say, "In Tonight's broadcast the role of Bob The Coward was played by Red Baron Farms".

Did the same thing in the Should Rural America be Saved thread.

I don't think I have any experience with RBF at all. I didn't read the Rural America thread since I have a pretty good understanding of it, living in NoDak and all.

Now that I think about it, didn't this same thing happen in the Bundy thread a few years back? Something about cattle stomping turtles or something?
 
I don't think I have any experience with RBF at all. I didn't read the Rural America thread since I have a pretty good understanding of it, living in NoDak and all.



Now that I think about it, didn't this same thing happen in the Bundy thread a few years back? Something about cattle stomping turtles or something?
RBF seems to be a single issue poster with strong opinions and some subject matter expertise.

It's a unique perspective, and I'm glad it's still part of the mix here. I'm also glad that RBF feels comfortable diving into the topic whenever thread drift brings it around.
 
Hell, fuelair used to wish pain and death on people all the time. I don't recall anyone here worried that he might be inciting violence.
Pardon me for not reading all of the thread so my answer may be redundant, but do you see no difference between an anonymous fool like fuelair posting on this forum, and a sheriff posting on facebook?

If you do not see the difference, you are, I think, suggesting that the facebook statement in question is that of a powerless clown talking to the wall. If a person in a position of some authority or influence posts a proposition, I think he'd better mean it. If he doesn't mean it, then he's a fool and a liar. I think his statement is a pretty classic case of stochastic terrorism even if he was too stupid to think of it when he made it. He's saying what he thinks ought to happen, not in an abstract way, but rather specifically specifying that AOC should be shot, and doing it from a position of some authority, in a way that allows him to disavow the very result we can be reasonably sure would satisfy him.
 
Pardon me for not reading all of the thread so my answer may be redundant, but do you see no difference between an anonymous fool like fuelair posting on this forum, and a sheriff posting on facebook?
I see many differences (you bring up a couple right here). I just don't see any differences that matter to the question at hand.

If you do not see the difference, you are, I think, suggesting that the facebook statement in question is that of a powerless clown talking to the wall. If a person in a position of some authority or influence posts a proposition, I think he'd better mean it. If he doesn't mean it, then he's a fool and a liar. I think his statement is a pretty classic case of stochastic terrorism even if he was too stupid to think of it when he made it. He's saying what he thinks ought to happen, not in an abstract way, but rather specifically specifying that AOC should be shot, and doing it from a position of some authority, in a way that allows him to disavow the very result we can be reasonably sure would satisfy him.
A cop posting violent ideation to a private facebook channel might inspire violence in one of the readers of that channel. Fuelair posting violent ideation to a public discussion forum might inspire violence in one of the readers of that forum. I don't see much difference in risk between these two scenarios. Certainly not enough to justify condemning one and excusing the other.

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I think your premise is also problematic for other reasons. If something can be innocuous in the mouth of a private citizen, but risky in the mouth of an official figure, then we should consider carefully whether public officials should be excused for saying even "innocuous" things. If bruto calls immigration detention facilities "concentration camps", that's probably just harmless hyperbole. But if an elected official of the federal government does so, that risks people taking it as a call for violence against the "nazis" before they rise again.

I say, "will someone rid me of this priest", and nobody gives a ****. The king says it, and next thing you know it's Midsomer Murders in Canterbury.
 
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I see many differences (you bring up a couple right here). I just don't see any differences that matter to the question at hand.

No differences that matter between an internet nobody on an obscure platform and a person with authority and ability to carry it out on his own on a widely publicized platform? If you can't see differences that matter, you might need to get your eyes checked.

Good thing the police officer's boss has canned the guy, by the way.


A cop posting violent ideation to a private facebook channel might inspire violence in one of the readers of that channel. Fuelair posting violent ideation to a public discussion forum might inspire violence in one of the readers of that forum. I don't see much difference in risk between these two scenarios. Certainly not enough to justify condemning one and excusing the other.

You've brought this up many times, but you've yet to show an example of people excusing fuelair. I know, I know, conservative playbook dictates that you just make up a position for your opponent and just keep on repeating that line despite lack of evidence or even evidence to the contrary. I just wanted to point out your use of this tactic.

I think your premise is also problematic for other reasons. If something can be innocuous in the mouth of a private citizen, but risky in the mouth of an official figure, then we should consider carefully whether public officials should be excused for saying even "innocuous" things. If bruto calls immigration detention facilities "concentration camps", that's probably just harmless hyperbole. But if an elected official of the federal government does so, that risks people taking it as a call for violence against the "nazis" before they rise again.

I say, "will someone rid me of this priest", and nobody gives a ****. The king says it, and next thing you know its Midsomer Murders in Canterbury.

When an accurate description of the item at hand leads you to think violence is or might be necessary to end it, perhaps you should lead by example and call for that item to end, rather than complain about accurately calling a concentration camp by name.
 
No differences that matter between an internet nobody on an obscure platform and a person with authority and ability to carry it out on his own on a widely publicized platform? If you can't see differences that matter, you might need to get your eyes checked.
First, the police officer has no more authority or ability to shoot AOC than any other citizen.

Second, it's not reasonable to assume that the police officer's audience is more likely to include an inciteable psycho than fuelair's audience here. If the concern is violent hyperbole inciting violent acts, then I think that concern applies equally to fuelair's audience. Because who knows when or where a violent psycho will notice and latch on to such ideas? It's risky either way. And equally risky, in my opinion.

Good thing the police officer's boss has canned the guy, by the way.
While I agree that firing this guy was the right thing to do, it doesn't actually affect his authority or ability to serve AOC a round. Nor does it affect his ability to incite others with his violent rhetoric.

Just like fuelair's ability to risk inciting someone with violent rhetoric isn't affected by his lack of standing as a uniformed police officer.

You've brought this up many times, but you've yet to show an example of people excusing fuelair. I know, I know, conservative playbook dictates that you just make up a position for your opponent and just keep on repeating that line despite lack of evidence or even evidence to the contrary. I just wanted to point out your use of this tactic.
Fuelair was banned from this forum for violating the forum rules about not posting obscenities:

Fuelair has been banned for Multiple and repeated violations of Rules 2 & 9

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12728925#post12728925

From the Membership Agreement:
2. You will not post anything that is pornographic, obscene, or contains excessive reference to violence and/or explicit sexual acts. This includes representational artwork as well as photographic or video media and includes linking directly to such content from the Forum.

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9. You will not post anything indecent. This includes content that depicts or describes sexual or excretory organs or activities in an offensive manner.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25744
Rules 1 and 3 relate to criminal acts and threats of violence. As far as I know, the idea that fuelair was actually inciting violence never came up, and was never a part of the rationale for banning him. Even though he clearly and unreservedly indulged in violent ideation, including recommendations of violence against people on his partisan enemies list.

Are you arguing that fuelair's violent posts targeting conservatives were in fact incitement, and should have been treated as such? Because that's not what actually happened.

When an accurate description of the item at hand leads you to think violence is or might be necessary to end it, perhaps you should lead by example and call for that item to end, rather than complain about accurately calling a concentration camp by name.
You seem to be threatening me with unjustified violence if I don't agree with your premise and take the action you want me to take. A typical bully's tactic, and - if I may say so - probably incitement.
 

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