"SEND HER BACK!" Will they defend this?

Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Leaving aside the "Look! A squirrel!" of your post, I've not heard of a terrorist citing Ocasio-Cortez as the inspiration for their actions, and googling turns up nothing. Can you provide a citation, please?
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It is not a simple answer. It may take a while to put together Zig’s response. He may have to get back to you on that later.

*tumbleweeds*
 
Belz... said:
Ok stop.

Where?
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Literally nowhere but inside Zigg's head and he damn well knows it.

Like every word that comes out of his mouth it exists nowhere but in the Twilight Zone of "whatever keeps the discussion away from me actually supporting or defending anything I've ever said."
 
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Belz... said:
Ok stop.

Where?
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Willem Van Spronsen. His attack was all over the news, didn't you see it? And his manifesto justifying his attack specifically referred to CBP facilities as "concentration camps", which is terminology that AOC helped push.
 
Ziggurat said:
Willem Van Spronsen. His attack was all over the news, didn't you see it? And his manifesto justifying his attack specifically referred to CBP facilities as "concentration camps", which is terminology that AOC helped push.
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NO.

Start a thread about it. Don't "HEY LOOK A SQUIRREL!" in this one.
 
Ziggurat said:
Willem Van Spronsen. His attack was all over the news, didn't you see it? And his manifesto justifying his attack specifically referred to CBP facilities as "concentration camps", which is terminology that AOC helped push.
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Ah, so white people can also be defined as terrorists and not mentally ill if they espouse a left-wing manifesto. Good to know.

However this incident looks far closer to mental illness than many - the choice of weapon was particularly ineffective, and suicide by cop would be one option.​

Describing the ICE centres as concentration camps, like those used by the British in the Boer War, seems pretty accurate.
 
Cainkane1 said:
If you express hatred for the United States and you are an immigrant legal or not the response is acceptable. Go back to where you came from. If you were born and raised here and express hatred for the United States then find somewhere else to live.
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And of course, as it always has been since war protestors were greeted with "love it or leave it," hatred for the US is defined here as disapproval of Trump. It is not, of course, disapproval of other administrations, since Trump prided himself on being an endless whiner when Obama was president.
 
Stacyhs said:
I wish a reporter would challenge Trump when he states that Omar has expressed hatred for the US by asking him exactly what she said. And when the Orange Baboon lies, and you know he will, call him on it.
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timhau said:
And then what?
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Do it again. And every time he lies. He must be challenged on the spot when he just makes crap up.


timhau said:
There doesn't seem to be any Trump lies that his supporters aren't willing to either defend or ignore.
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His hardcore base, yes. But there ARE people out there who voted for him reluctantly and who may just reach their "Trump lies" saturation point. We need them, especially in the swing states.
 
Ziggurat said:
Willem Van Spronsen. His attack was all over the news, didn't you see it? And his manifesto justifying his attack specifically referred to CBP facilities as "concentration camps", which is terminology that AOC helped push.
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I'll certainly condemn his actions. But it's no wonder that he didn't show up in google searches - because he didn't cite Ocasio-Cortez as the impetus behind his actions.

And I certainly don't believe that Ocasio-Cortez correctly using the term "concentration camps"and having a clear, thought-out reason for doing so is remotely the same thing as lying in order to incite racial hatred. I don't think you do, either.
 
Stacyhs said:
His hardcore base, yes. But there ARE people out there who voted for him reluctantly and who may just reach their "Trump lies" saturation point. We need them, especially in the swing states.
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This guy, for example:



It's all a bit "I never thought leopards would eat MY face!", and it's a testament to how wilfully blind people can be given that he seems to think that Trump saying something racist came completely out of the blue, but it's an example of a staunch supporter changing their stance based on Trump's actions.
 
jimbob said:
So first he supported them, then says he tried to stop them, now he wants to have it both ways. Classy.

Even his cultists must feel the slightest bit of betrayal when he said he disagreed with them, and tried to stop them chanting?
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That's nothing new. Just as, when he denied having any influence on the exclusion of the ship named after McCain from ceremonies in Japan, he wrapped his denial in the remark that it was well intentioned. He is very good at disavowal and approval in the same breath.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
This guy, for example:



It's all a bit "I never thought leopards would eat MY face!", and it's a testament to how wilfully blind people can be given that he seems to think that Trump saying something racist came completely out of the blue, but it's an example of a staunch supporter changing their stance based on Trump's actions.
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Interesting. I agree that it's a bit odd for him to claim it came out of the blue. I doubt he's unaware of the "very fine people on both sides" statement.
I find it heartening that he says many of his black conservative friends have jumped off the Trump train and are supporting Harris or Biden.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
I'll certainly condemn his actions. But it's no wonder that he didn't show up in google searches - because he didn't cite Ocasio-Cortez as the impetus behind his actions.

And I certainly don't believe that Ocasio-Cortez correctly using the term "concentration camps"and having a clear, thought-out reason for doing so is remotely the same thing as lying in order to incite racial hatred. I don't think you do, either.
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But shouldn't you think he does? After years of excusing and defending pure insanity, is there really any doubt benefit left?
 
Belz... said:
I'm sure rural Americans having essentially no representation on the Federal level would be quite ok for you, but not for them. You do understand that this is what the Senate and EC were supposed to address, correct?
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Besides the fact this is a straw man, what does it say about liberals' representation now?

If the Senate matched the voting public, conservatives would have no representation?

Then what representation do liberals have currently?
 
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Ziggurat said:
Willem Van Spronsen. His attack was all over the news, didn't you see it? And his manifesto justifying his attack specifically referred to CBP facilities as "concentration camps", which is terminology that AOC helped push.
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Oh for pity's sake! Really?

This was in WA, a single crazy among the protestors at the immigration detention facility went back after the protest and it's not clear yet but suicide by cop may have been the motive.

I heard about it. But a direct connection to AOC? :rolleyes: Of course no one had a clue what you were talking about.
 
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