"SEND HER BACK!" Will they defend this?

Diamond and Silk are hosted on FoxNation streaming service. They are very pro-Trump. They've testified before Congress about social media censorship of conservatives.

Steve King has a "Diamond and Silk Act" to abolish sanctuary cities. When asked about King retweeting white supremacist content, the reply was, "I’m tired of you all playing the race card."

ETA: Their twitter feed is a series of whataboutisms...
 
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Ziggurat said:
And how was he racist? By being uncivil.

It doesn't matter if someone sits there thinking racist thoughts in their heads but doing nothing. What matters is actions. And the action in question was just incivility. The alleged motive is racism, but why would the motive even matter if the action itself weren't a problem?



These are not separate categories, they are overlapping ones, obviously. Lynching is racism, but it's also violence, not incivility. Saying the n-word is racism and uncivil. Other forms of incivility may not be racist. For the purposes of this sub-discussion, it doesn't matter if Trump was also racist, it was still incivility. It wasn't violence, for example.

So complaints about what Trump said are still just complaints about incivility, whether or not the motive behind that incivility is racism, and whether or not your motive for complaining about that incivility is because of racism.

And because you'll likely misunderstand this if I don't make it explicit, note that I'm not even saying it's wrong to complain about incivility. I'm not even claiming that it's wrong to have a special interest in racist incivility in particular. But the claim was made, and not by me, that if you're arguing about incivility then you've conceded the "actual case", whatever that may be. I'm merely pointing out the implication of such a position. Feel free to not agree about incivility being irrelevant.
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This pretzel logic justification of your claim that this discussion is really just about Trump's "incivility" literally made me face palm.
 
Ziggurat said:
And how was he racist? By being uncivil.

It doesn't matter if someone sits there thinking racist thoughts in their heads but doing nothing. What matters is actions. And the action in question was just incivility. The alleged motive is racism, but why would the motive even matter if the action itself weren't a problem?
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However, inciting your supporters with racist statements is damaging and does threaten violence.
 
Hannity Offers Most Ridiculous Defense of 'Send Her Back' Chant Yet

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“I don’t think they were saying ‘send her back’ as much as they’re saying ‘these views are repugnant,’” Hannity insisted during a segment on Omar, as the furor over the president’s ongoing racist attacks on her and the other members of the progressive Squad of House freshmen continues unabated.
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Again, racism isn't racism if you break it into its component parts and ignore racist components, amirite?
 
Because the human brain can comprehend the shift in what is permissive when dozens of cameras sending the behavior to millions of people watching results in no observable harm and perhaps even accrue some benefit to the person who performed the behavior.

Now layer on the social dynamics of what wealth and power the people engaging in the behavior have attached to themselves.

But yeah, there's an unsettling wrinkle in the inexplicable need to laboriously peel the onion back this far.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Diamond and Silk are hosted on FoxNation streaming service. They are very pro-Trump. They've testified before Congress about social media censorship of conservatives.

Steve King has a "Diamond and Silk Act" to abolish sanctuary cities. When asked about King retweeting white supremacist content, the reply was, "I’m tired of you all playing the race card."

ETA: Their twitter feed is a series of whataboutisms...
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I don't think whataboutism is their role in the Trump World.
It seems to me that
a. they are supposed to to show that Trump has Black supporters
and
b. that African Amercians are kind of stupid

I really hope that the two are just playing an act, in which case I hope they cash in big time.
 
johnny karate said:
Next, Trump will call a black person the N-word, and his apologists will tell us that it's not racist if a white person has at some point been called the N-word.
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No, when he does finally use the n-word, they will use the old trope of "why isn't it racist when black people use the word" to excuse it / confuse the issue. Fox news probably already has a bunch of clips of scary looking rappers saying it lined up and ready to go. Guarantee it.
 
wasapi said:
Here is the frustrating thing for me. Trump, again, is being evil, uncivil, outrageous. Another thing to add to the list of his 'most-vile'.

And, what will come of it? Nothing. It will just add to the list of disgusting comments. Next week, or today, he will open his mouth and his twitter again to another inappropriate comment. And then, another. But nothing will really change.
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Things will change, just for the worse. Words precede actions.

For another example, look at the words around Iran. If they launched an attack on Iran back in 2017, even a lot of Republicans would have trouble supporting it. But notice the ramped up rhetoric, which I predict will continue.

These terrible policies need ideological support from their base. And regardless of how much they seem like blind followers, they need to be stoked. And the part of the GOP who weren't always in the deplorable basket need to be dragged along.

I'm not saying Trump is actually going to try to deport those congresswomen, (we're a little too early in the downward slide for that) but the idea that citizenship is revokable for enemies of the President is an idea that they're selling. Ending birthright citizenship is an explicit goal. The message is that not everyone who is legally a citizen really belongs here and there will be policy consequences as that idea gains volume.
 
Ziggurat said:
Because you haven't paid attention.
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I was offering MrsB 1-10 that you'd say something like that. She didn't have a clue what I was talking about but bet 10 anyway and took a Euro from me.

You have become a parody of yourself.
 
theprestige said:
The electoral college is proportional.

And I would argue that the senate is proportional as well, but by a different metric than central-government parliamentarians are used to.
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Proportional with very large error bars, maybe, but not in any meaningful sense.
 
theprestige said:
The electoral college is proportional.

And I would argue that the senate is proportional as well, but by a different metric than central-government parliamentarians are used to.
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Oh, I thought the senate was two seats from each state.

I also thought that Wyoming had about 600k populaiton but three electoral college votes, whilst California had about 67 times the population, but only 55 electoral college votes?

I also thought that citizens of Washington DC had no senate or Congress representatives with voting powers?

ETA: For comparison, the UK parliamentary system is generally considered to not be proportional although it has a boundary commission redrawing the constituency boundaries to try and even out the number of voters per MP.
 
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Travis said:
Surely you have heard about it. I find it so disturbing I don't even want to link to youtube videos of it. Trump decided to go after Congresswoman Ilhan Omar and his crowd, ever lowering themselves to new levels of deplorable, started chanting "Send her back! SEND HER BACK!..."


And here we now are. They want to deport legal immigrants. Because it was never about immigrants being legal or illegal. It was about them being immigrants that are not white.


How is the Republican party going to spin this? Or do they even try? Maybe they just double down on this, clearly that is where the party is headed, and just burn some crosses at the next rally.
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If you express hatred for the United States and you are an immigrant legal or not the response is acceptable. Go back to where you came from. If you were born and raised here and express hatred for the United States then find somewhere else to live.
 
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