Senate Committee approves Assault Weapons Ban

[WildCat]

More than 10-15 rounds per minute.

That's easy to do even with a single-shot rifle.

 

[BStrong]

That is an assault rifle, so yes, it's an assault weapon.




If it's based on the M14, it is capable of fully automatic fire, so yes, I'd say it's an assault weapon.


I'd say that's not an assault weapon. It's not capable of fully automatic fire.




Rapid fire functionality.

The rifle in question is a Ruger Mimi-14, and the only thing in common w/ a real 14 is nomenclature and receiver profile. It is not at this time considered an AW, even though it fires the same 5.56 mm round from 20 or 30 round magazines

 

[NWO Sentryman]

The rifle in question is a Ruger Mimi-14, and the only thing in common w/ a real 14 is nomenclature and receiver profile. It is not at this time considered an AW, even though it fires the same 5.56 mm round from 20 or 30 round magazines

And it was also the weapon of choice for Breivik's massacre in Norway, so I'm surprised Feinstein didn't put that in the banned guns list.

 

[Ranb]

Fair enough. For the "Hello Kitty" rifle, is there a relatively easy way to make it fully automatic? If not, it's just a rifle with bling.

You said the Ruger was based on the M14, so I supposed it was capable of fully automatic fire. What is the rate of fire?

More than 10-15 rounds per minute.

As far as I know any semi-automatic firearm can be converted to full auto, some easier than others.

The Ruger Mini-14 is superficially similar to the M-14 and operates with a gas port that allows gas to push on a pistol that is connected to the bolt by a rod. None of the action parts are compatible with each other.

10-15 rounds a minutes is rather slow; rapid fire is generally considered to be one round every two seconds or 30 rounds a minute. Three rounds per second is easily achieved with a revolver. I have no problem firing my break open single shot rifle at 10 rounds per minute.

Ranb

 

[uke2se]

Do women have a need for abortion?

Yes, many do.

(Note, this does not include grave foetal abnormality or threats to the woman's health/life)

Why?

Besides, in the US, fully automatic weapons have been banned since 1986, and crimes involving "assault weapons" are a blip on the radar in overall violent crime.

Are these guys breaking the law, then?

 

[uke2se]

As far as I know any semi-automatic firearm can be converted to full auto, some easier than others.

In that case they are a problem, and an assault weapons ban should include them.

The Ruger Mini-14 is superficially similar to the M-14 and operates with a gas port that allows gas to push on a pistol that is connected to the bolt by a rod. None of the action parts are compatible with each other.

I just went by the information I was given.

10-15 rounds a minutes is rather slow; rapid fire is generally considered to be one round every two seconds or 30 rounds a minute. Three rounds per second is easily achieved with a revolver. I have no problem firing my break open single shot rifle at 10 rounds per minute.

Ranb

It's rapid enough in my view. You can gun down an entire elk horde with that ROF.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

Yes, many do.



Why?

Define "need" for abortion. I mean, by your logic of "need", grave threats to the mother's life and health, and foetal abnormality are a need, but I don't see why it is necessary for anything else, like socioeconomic reasons (I mean, there are adoption and fostering agencies that should allow for unwanted children, and welfare states for single/poor mothers).

 

[WildCat]

Are these guys breaking the law, then?

Only if it was manufactured after 1986 (IIRC) and/or doesn't have the proper tax stamp.

The stamp comes with a lot of restrictions.

 

[Ranb]

In that case they are a problem, and an assault weapons ban should include them.

I was not aware that any registered machine guns / semi-autos converted to full auto were a problem. Got a link?

It's rapid enough in my view. You can gun down an entire elk horde with that ROF.

Speak for yourself. I have never been able to get any deer or elk to stand still long enough to get off more than one shot. Gun down a horde of running elk with anything I can own? I don't think so. Your high opinion of my skills is not supported by any evidence.

Ranb

 

[uke2se]

Define "need" for abortion. I mean, by your logic of "need", grave threats to the mother's life and health, and foetal abnormality are a need, but I don't see why it is necessary for anything else, like socioeconomic reasons (I mean, there are adoption and fostering agencies that should allow for unwanted children, and welfare states for single/poor mothers).

First, this is completely off topic. There is no comparison between abortion and people wanting to have guns.

Now, need for abortion has to do with the woman's right to control her own body. If a woman wants to have an abortion, the woman needs an abortion.

 

[uke2se]

I was not aware that any registered machine guns / semi-autos converted to full auto were a problem. Got a link?

You want me to link to my post? It's my opinion. It was asked for.

Speak for yourself. I have never been able to get any deer or elk to stand still long enough to get off more than one shot.
Gun down a horde of running elk with anything I can own? I don't think so. Your high opinion of my skills is not supported by any evidence.

Ranb

If they congregate on a large field around your hunting tower and you have a grease spell handy.

 

[Ranb]

Are these guys breaking the law, then?

When a person is speaking of a machine gun ban hopefully they are referring to the Hughes Amendment to the Firearm Owner's Protection Act (it amended the GCA of 1968). It prohibited registration of machine guns for unlicensed civilian ownership after May 19. 1986. Machine guns are still legal in the USA, they are just more restricted than any other type of firearm.

Ranb

 

[Ranb]

You want me to link to my post? It's my opinion. It was asked for.

Fine. So why do you think registered machine guns are a problem? I have never seen any evidence that they are at all.

Ranb

 

[uke2se]

When a person is speaking of a machine gun ban hopefully they are referring to the Hughes Amendment to the Firearm Owner's Protection Act (it amended the GCA of 1968). It prohibited registration of machine guns for unlicensed civilian ownership after May 19. 1986. Machine guns are still legal in the USA, they are just more restricted than any other type of firearm.

Ranb

I was told in this post that the US bans fully automatic weapons since 1986, so I was reacting to that.

 

[uke2se]

Fine. So why do you think registered machine guns are a problem? I have never seen any evidence that they are at all.

Ranb

They are used in school shootings. I have a problem with rapid fire weapons being allowed for civilian use.

 

[bynmdsue]

I was told in this post that the US bans fully automatic weapons since 1986, so I was reacting to that.

Their importation and manufacture are banned. Not ownership. Kind of like the last Assault Weapons Ban. It was still legal to buy, sell and own them but not import or manufacture them.

 

[bynmdsue]

They are used in school shootings.

When? Where? Not in the USA.

 

[uke2se]

Their importation and manufacture are banned. Not ownership. Kind of like the last Assault Weapons Ban. It was still legal to buy, sell and own them but not import or manufacture them.

I was going to ask about gun shows on tv creating Gatling guns, but then I found out that according to US law, the Gatling gun isn't considered a machine gun, and is thus exempt from the ban.

 

[uke2se]

When? Where? Not in the USA.

I should correct myself. I have a problem with rapid firing weapons because they are, among other things, used in school shootings.

You are correct that fully automatic rifles aren't, because there's much more restrictions on them. I would like to see the same restrictions applied to semi-autos as well.

I'd say this is relevant.

 

[Ranb]

They are used in school shootings. I have a problem with rapid fire weapons being allowed for civilian use.

I have yet to see any proof of a registered machine gun being used by a civilian to commit murder. Can you back up this claim?

Ranb