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Seeing Cryptids: The Problems

ChrisBFRPKY said:
That's speculation, the fact is a wolf was shot in the wild in KY. It makes no difference how it got there. The point is it is/was there.

I suspect if a Mountain lion is killed, the same argument will surface "There are no breeding populations etc."

So instead of an all out denial it'd probably be the wiser choice to acknowledge some sightings of things in the wild that shouldn't be there, may in fact be very accurate.
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You do realize regardless of parsing what lives where, no one was denying wolves exist - right?

Slight difference.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Rob, they're certainly in denial that wolves exist in KY.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the argument isn't they haven't shot a wolf in KY but that wolves (e.g. more than just the supposed dead one) live in KY?

IIRC, a tiger was shot in Ohio a few years back. Doesn't mean tigers live in Ohio.

Two distinctly different suppositions.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
I'd say a sighting by a wildlife officer and multiple park rangers nailed this one down. If they don't know a cougar/mountain lion when they see one who does? Oh, but maybe they misidentified a raccoon as a Mountain lion. Or possibly they were delusional, seeing things. Maybe they claimed Mountain lion sightings for attention? The pattern of denial is obvious.

Denial is a funny thing. There are still no wolves in KY too. Even though one was confirmed as being shot in KY. The body was brought in.

Then, for some reason the argument shifts to "Well there are no breeding populations" "It must have been an escaped pet."

That's speculation, the fact is a wolf was shot in the wild in KY. It makes no difference how it got there. The point is it is/was there.

I suspect if a Mountain lion is killed, the same argument will surface "There are no breeding populations etc."

So instead of an all out denial it'd probably be the wiser choice to acknowledge some sightings of things in the wild that shouldn't be there, may in fact be very accurate.
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ChrisBFRPKY said:
And it seems one cannot persuade a denialist even when one produces a body. Funny that.
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What does any of this have to do with the cryptid that many of you guys claim to encounter on a regular basis but for which you can't seem to come up with one iota of biological evidence?

It's kinda done for you folks; you see griz on a consistent basis, you'll see its ****, no doubt about it. You see a footie all the time, you'll step in its ****, no question about it. Scoop some up why don't you? Then, you'll see the footie again. Well, shoot if for crissakes!

Do all you folks suck at woodcraft?

You can use the stupid term denialist all you want, but bigfoot enthusiasts have nothing. Which explains why they use the stupid term. Fact is, you guys are backed into a corner with all these regularly occurring encounters; if you can't put up, you're gonna have to shut up, in polite society anyway. Among fellow enthusiasts, you of course may tell all manner of silly stories.
 
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Chris, anecdotal sightings are not confirmatory evidence even when park staff says they saw something. Park staff can make mistakes or worse they could be less than... well, less than...

Anyway I'll be a proud denialist of Bigfoot and Kentucky grey wolves and cougars. Dude you don't even have a simple trail camera image of any of those. Denial all the way. I raise a toast to Cryptid Denialism. Cheers!
 
The Shrike said:
Other than some ridiculously naive city people or something, I think pretty much every adult in the US knows what a cougar looks like. Where they get into trouble is that they think they've seen one in the wild. Few people ever get really experienced at seeing wild cougars in the wild. Thus the vast majority of people who have erroneously reported out-of-range cougars in the past have been people who know darn well what a cougar looks like: they were just wrong when they thought they saw one in the flesh.
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But on occassion they're right. Back in February 2007 I was making my morning commute to work when, what certainly appeared to be a cougar, ran across the road in front of the vehicle directly in front of me. It was a Jeep/SUV type of vehicle, and at no time did the animal disappear from view as it ran in front of the vehicle. I noticed the VERY long tail with the black tuft at the end, and the speed and grace with which the animal crossed the road.

A few days later I saw a couple of cops walking the beat so I approached them and told them what I had witnessed. They were almost certain I couldn't have seen a cougar, and one of them suggested I had seen a serval cat instead, even though the two cats are not even close in appearance.

Five months later, less than five miles from my 'serval cat' sighting, a cougar chased a family's dog, and county officials saw it again later and confirmed it was a cougar. The most recent report I can find is of this sighting in July of this year, just two counties and less than 50 miles away from where I spotted one back in '07.

RayG
 
Where there are cougars there are confirmations - as Ray's story shows. Kentucky doesn't have that.

We don't really want to confirm anything without confirmatory evidence.
 
Robrob said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but the argument isn't they haven't shot a wolf in KY but that wolves (e.g. more than just the supposed dead one) live in KY?
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You are denying Chris's straw man, so you are a denialist.

I think that's how it works.
 
Look, people import wolves into several states. They use them to breed with other dog species to make really good pets. I know because I had a wolf/malamute hybrid in Alabama. He was the best dog I ever had but he scared the crap out of people because he looked exactly like a timber wolf. It is possible that some of these could be turned loose, or can get loose easily, as it requires a fence at least 6 feet high to contain them.
 
Jodie said:
Look, people import wolves into several states. They use them to breed with other dog species to make really good pets. I know because I had a wolf/malamute hybrid in Alabama. He was the best dog I ever had but he scared the crap out of people because he looked exactly like a timber wolf. It is possible that some of these could be turned loose, or can get loose easily, as it requires a fence at least 6 feet high to contain them.
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People keep all kinds of wildlife as pets; sometimes they escape, sometimes they're released. Then they are seen or killed. In all cases they exist, though perhaps not naturally in the area where they are released/escape.

To try and equate these examples in some manner with the cryptid known as bigfoot is silly, a red herring, and mostly dishonest.
 
I think when you prove to someone that they may not know as much as they think they do it might not be as difficult for them to accept they may be mistaken about Bigfoot as well.

That's the thing about having one's mind closed to a subject, you may learn that you've been wrong all along.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
That's the thing about having one's mind closed to a subject, you may learn that you've been wrong all along.
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Skeptics are always open to objective evidence. That's as open-minded as you can ever reasonably hope for.

Facts seem to have no effect on you, however, which is a good indication of how open-minded you are.
 
You're right, I'm no longer open minded about the existence of Bigfoot. That bridge is behind me. I know they exist and maybe someday you will know too.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
You're right, I'm no longer open minded about the existence of Bigfoot. That bridge is behind me. I know they exist and maybe someday you will know too.
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I just hope that it's no longer a mystery to you what it will take for that to happen.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
I think when you prove to someone that they may not know as much as they think they do . . .
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Regarding the story of the wolf shot in Kentucky in March of this year, could you please identify for us the following from the above statement?

1) Who is the "someone"?

2) What is it that this someone thought he/she/they knew that we now know was incorrect based on the collection and positive identification of the wolf?
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
I think when you prove to someone that they may not know as much as they think they do it might not be as difficult for them to accept they may be mistaken about Bigfoot as well.
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So you plan on proving something soon?

That's the thing about having one's mind closed to a subject, you may learn that you've been wrong all along.
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Or:

"That's the thing about having one's mind open to a subject, you may learn that you've been wrong all along."

Yoda you're not.

ChrisBFRPKY said:
You're right, I'm no longer open minded about the existence of Bigfoot. That bridge is behind me. I know they exist and maybe someday you will know too.
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Correct, you have belief without evidence. There's the word for that is "faith" not science.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Rene Dahinden...

'You know, I've spent over 40 years — and I didn't find it. I guess that's got to say something.'
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Sadly, I don't think there's ever been a more pathetic player in Popular Bigfooting than Rene Dahinden. His stubborn refusal to accept even the most obvious of realities in his pursuit of the fictional bigger prize left him a totally unfulfilled and bitter man. Literally everything he had and was he put into the game and he lost it all. I think in the end he actually knew the answer, he just couldn't reconcile it with the 40 years he spent chasing the wild goose.

In other news, it's likely Chris won't be left as unfulfilled or bitter cause he 'knows'.
 
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