Secession?

[Alferd_Packer]

what's next? folks in Arizona no longer calling themselves American?

Now they are "Arizonian"?

Er, actually, yes.

They are trying to enact a law that would not grant "Arizona citizenship" to the children of illegal aliens born in Arizona.

 

[KingMerv00]

The feds. can only govern the willing.

The freemen on the land will be glad to hear that.

 

[KingMerv00]

I am an Arizonan first, American second.

You're both simultaneously, like it or not. If you don't believe me, try not paying federal taxes or violating federal law.

(Yes, I know your post is a figure of speech. Unfortunately, that figure of speech is silly.)

 

[BobTheCoward]

You're both simultaneously, like it or not. If you don't believe me, try not paying federal taxes or violating federal law.

(Yes, I know your post is a figure of speech. Unfortunately, that figure of speech is silly.)

What does what I say have to do with me not paying federal taxes? I love the US federal government. It is one of the greatest institutions ever created.

 

[Piggy]

This is so ********* stupid.

Look, we already have a process for determining if the US Congress has overstepped its Constitutional bounds, and it resides in the court system; it certianly is not left up to the states because that is not workable.

Pandering, pure and simple.

This is the kind of base populism that led to the Union-Confederate War, and we all know how that turned out.

Arizona has apparently decided that it can grandstand all it wants.

We'll see how that works for them.

 

[bluescat48]

"Ar-heads"?

Try Air-Heads

 

[bluescat48]

oops!

 

[Travis]

Hell, there might be a war with California since Colorado River water rights are a hot button issue between the two states......

This was my first thought as well. I just don't see Nevada and California taking the issue laying down.

 

[pipelineaudio]

For bonus points see the naval battle fought on the colorado river between AZ and CA

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

If such a civil war took place, I'd bet against Arizona.

They're so into rugged individualism that rather than levying taxes to build adequate drainage to prevent flash flooding during their brief but torrential rains, they have passed this law:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stupid_Motorist_Law

I have to think this ideological approach to fighting a war wouldn't be very effective either.

 

[Loss Leader]

I have to think this ideological approach to fighting a war wouldn't be very effective either.

Plus, the entire population of Sedona would try to repel US troops by sitting cross-legged and meditating about it.

 

[Cleon]

Aside from little things like how well secession worked out last time, I gotta ask - WTF?

Arizona, were it to secede, would be completely dependent on the US or Mexico for any sort of international trade.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Plus, the entire population of Sedona would try to repel US troops by sitting cross-legged and meditating about it.

Or just go awol:

 

[pipelineaudio]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stupid_Motorist_Law

That law was passed because of the snowbirds who drive their mall crawler SUV's into the washes during floods

We dont WANT every single inch of the state paved. We like dirt roads, and nature. There is perfectly adequate drainage: the wash system that these idiots keep driving into. The washes bring water to the numberous plants and animals that wait all year for it. You people should stop trying to come here and tell us to destroy our environment and kill all our nature off.

The big giant signs say " Do not cross when flooded"

Note the mallcrawler

Note the sign

Don't be a bigot

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

That law was passed because of the snowbirds who drive their mall crawler SUV's into the washes during floods

We dont WANT every single inch of the state paved. We like dirt roads, and nature. There is perfectly adequate drainage: the wash system that these idiots keep driving into. The washes bring water to the numberous plants and animals that wait all year for it. You people should stop trying to come here and tell us to destroy our environment and kill all our nature off.

I don't buy it. If this isn't a common occurrence, then why the need for this law? If their infrastructure is adequate, then isn't the only conclusion that Arizona magically attracts more stupid motorists than elsewhere? (I don't buy that either.)


And this is what the Wiki article says:

The need for the law came from the lack of storm sewers in the deserts of the Southwestern United States and heavy rainfall in the desert, usually associated with the summer season. This lack of adequate drainage leads to short term flooding. Many desert cities and towns don't use culverts to channel minor washes (also known by the Spanish name arroyos) beneath the roadway. Only major washes and floodplains have bridges over them. Storm drains are spaced quite far apart when they are present at all. Consequently, during rain storms, storm runoff flows over the roadway. During hard, strong rain storms, the washes, underpasses, and areas around large storm drains can flow fast and deep enough to pick up an automobile and carry it downstream. During particularly strong floods, one might see a motorist stuck in the middle of a wash, sitting on the roof of a dead car submerged to the windows.

Linky.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Note the mallcrawler
<snip>
Don't be a bigot

How am I being a bigot by criticizing a law, but you're not displaying bigotry by referring to some motor vehicles as "mallcrawlers" and some motorists as "snowbirds"?

ETA: If you can even define these two terms, do you have any evidence that they account for most of these incidents?

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Christ, even Scalia would laugh at that.


Don't sure about Thomas though.

If Scalia laughs, Thomas would also laugh.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

I just heard that a committee in Missouri's legislature has approved an amendment that would let states block federal law:

http://www.fox2now.com/news/sns-ap-mo-xgr--federallawrepeals,0,2803418.story

 

[pipelineaudio]

I don't buy it. If this isn't a common occurrence, then why the need for this law? If their infrastructure is adequate, then isn't the only conclusion that Arizona magically attracts more stupid motorists than elsewhere? (I don't buy that either.)

It is a common occurrence the same way that drunk driving is a common occurrence. Yes its stupid, but there are a lot of stupid people out there.

Lots of people are in too much of a rush to get where they're going to go a safer route, this is no different than people who think they can beat trains. You won't see locals doing this much, and if they do they typically have someone close by to winch them out.

And this is what the Wiki article says:

Linky.

Wiki can say whatever they want, its not justification for wholesale destruction of the environment. We have WAY too many people like you who come here and "for the children" kill off our cougars, snakes, javelinas and coyotes, dam up the rivers, pave the riparian habitats and dynamite our mountains in the name of safety. If its so bad, stay out and leave our animals alone

 

[pipelineaudio]

How am I being a bigot by criticizing a law, but you're not displaying bigotry by referring to some motor vehicles as "mallcrawlers" and some motorists as "snowbirds"?

Maybe you can find me a pic of one (that isn't a flash flood, which this law doesn't cover) that isn't a mallcrawler.

No matter how much of a rush you are, or how brave you are, you aren't going to even try and cross a flooded wash in anything but a mallcrawler or a real offroad vehicle. Chances are the person in the real offroad vehicle knows better.

Its usually snowbirds because of the time of year that its worse, and the fact that locals know what those signs mean. Honestly a lot of us ignore all sorts of signs. Being from elsewhere you might not take into account just how serious of a warning it is