Sean Manchester - Vampire Hunter

[DavidFarrant]

Two 'Staked' Vampires - and thats 'official'.

As people here will probably know, Brodski has opened another thread where I have agreed to answer (to the best of my ability) questions about the Highgate case, 'vampires' and other matters relating to the paranormal. This I have started to do.

However, I did state here before that I would deal with Mr. Manchester's claims to have located - and 'staked' - two 'real-live' vampires. (Claims that he has made in the media' on television and in his own book - both versions opf it).

This I still intend to do here and all I can say is, that if I am in breach of any procedures here in doing this, then I will have to rely on a moderator to tell me. Just say 'stop', and I will stop.

I will have to put this in the form of three seperate cases, which they really are; at least, he claims to have encountered the Highgate 'vampire on two separate occasions so I will obviously have to deal with these separately.

The first occasion was one night in Highgate Cemetery in August 1970. Manchester claims in both editions of his book that he and some unnamed assistants, discovered the 'King Vampire's tomb' in a vault in Highgate Cemetery. They forced open the door, kicked off a coffin lid, and lo and behold, there lay the vampire (its mouth still gorged with fresh blood . . . hmmm). Manchester claims he was about to 'stake it' but was 'talked out of it by one of his 'assistants'. So they sprinkled holy water and cucifix's around the vault and had this sealed up with 'garlic impregnated cement'.

But not long after this, Mr.Mnchester discovered that the 'vampire' had escaped (taking its coffin with it) and had mde its new home in tyhe cellars of a ruined Gothic mansion in Crouch End, North London.

So, with an accomplise called 'Arthur', in the winter of 1973, they go to the ruined house, drag that coffin out into the overgrown back garden and 'stake it through its heart'. It gives out an almighty roar ('as if from the bowels of hell') but they quickly photograph it before incinerating the whole caboodle with petrol. End of Highgate Vampire - you might have thought. But no. In 1982 (followimg the deaths of several domestic animals in the Highgate and Finchley areas) Manchester discovers that the vampire (now ashes) had bitten a young girl he calls 'Lusia' and that she is buried in the Great Northern London Cemetery.

Manchester stakes out her grave one night and, almost naked in a 'Protective Circle' containing a small fire, proceed to incant some mgical incantation to summon Lusia. He is armed with a sharpened wooden stake. Lusia turns up in her vampiric form, but seeing Manchester out to stake her, promptly turns in a giant spider ('the size of a full grown cat'). So he stakes the spider instead and collapses bach into his make-shift Circle 'sobbing uncontrollably'. ('Lusia' had been his live-in girlfriend'). When the dawn breaks, Manchester sees impaled on the stake, no longer the spider but . . . "It was poor Lusia. No longer one of the devil's Undead but one of God's own true dead"! [my exclanation mark].

Think, he's got the audassity to call ME crasy!!

Well, I find I've put most of the facts down in summary form, but I can still give further details or references if anyone is interested.

Sourse material here: courtesy Mr. Sean Manchester, "The Highgate Vampire" [Ist and 2nd edition].

For the moment,

David Farrant

 

[Ducky]

I have no idea. The best person to ask is Sean Manchester (or his secretary) at his contact site.

A google will soon find it.

You have detailed research but you don't know what other links can be provided?


Sorry that's a dubious claim.

Once more with feeling:

Myth Buster, could you perhaps shed some light on the seemingly incongruous statements of yours quoted below?

Myth Buster, could you perhaps shed some light on the seemingly incongruous statements of yours quoted below?

I hold no particular brief for any of the active parties.

I am no more connected to Sean Manchester than "The Vampire" is connected to David Farrant.

I was investigating the situation long before the thread on this forum and have had email and snail mail communication with various people from both sides, but not the main protagonists.

If you knew where my field of expertise lay you would better understand why my apparent grasp of the detail seems incredible. But that is privileged information.

I am not Manchester.

It is a standard tactic of Greenwych and her two friends to always accuse anyone posting in Manchester's defence to be Manchester himself. It would seem that, unless you are incapable of spelling and basic grammar, you will have this accusation levelled at you for being audacious enough not to join in their hate-mongering.

Sean Manchester cannot sit "in his bungalow" because he does not have a bungalow and has never had a bungalow. Greenwych has these compulsive themes which she repeats all over the net. They are frequently difficult to comprehend and must be some sort of joke which only she understands and finds remotely funny.

I have the "knowledge and detailed information" because I have researched these matters and the reason I have researched properly is because that is part of what I do. Others have come up with the same answers as me.

Sean Manchester, from what I have discovered about him, "skulks" behind nobody.

No apology. And, furthermore, I have been asked by Sean Manchester's people to stay off this topic as a complaint is already under consideration within the terms of the Religious Hatred Act 2006, section 1, 29C 1 (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/60001--b.htm).

It would, therefore, be inappropriate to further broach this matter.

 

[Myth Buster]

This doesn't prove that M. isnt a loon^2 just that Farrant is... again: which allegations are the false ones?

That is an entire area that has been missed. Manchester does not deny what he is and what he believes. Farrant does deny what he once claimed in the previous century.

They might be completely mad, but at least one of them is consistent and the other is contradicting himself all down the line. Just check these things for yourself.

The false allegations are just about everything Barbara (now changed to Greenwych) and Catherine have posted about Sean Manchester, plus all that Farrant has posted.

 

[CatherineFearnley]

Evidence

Actually MythBuster aka Manchester I might also put a complaint in for religious hatred whilst we're at it. I'll add it to our dossier of illegal activity. You are totally against all of us on this message board, not just me, David and Barbara but it seems everybody else.

With regards to evidence, I still think that Manchester or yourself should take up the Randi challenge because you are claiming to have taken photographs of the decomposing 'vampire' not David or anyone else. Now why have you got the reason to be scared of the challenge if you do not believe this is so.

Also like others have said if you make wild claims on Manchester's behalf then you should expect questioning.

Catherine Fearnley

 

[Ducky]

That is an entire area that has been missed. Manchester does not deny what he is and what he believes. Farrant does deny what he once claimed in the previous century.

They might be completely mad, but at least one of them is consistent and the other is contradicting himself all down the line. Just check these things for yourself.

The false allegations are just about everything Barbara (now changed to Greenwych) and Catherine have posted about Sean Manchester, plus all that Farrant has posted.

Would you care to actually address the false allegations, or do you prefer to just post vague well poisoning ad hominems?

 

[Clu]

Thanks for the non-answer Myth... As fowlsound I was Interested in some actual rebuttals, that is state what's incorrect and why it's incorrect not just 'It's wrong 'cuz I zed so' type response... But at least you agree that M's a loon?

 

[greenwych]

ha ha, he knows when he's beat so put up the waffle that he has been asked by Sean Manchester not to duscuss the matter further--presumably it is "beneath his dignity" !
Okay, I admit the bungalow was a bit silly, but when someone parades in front of the local restuarant ( a big old house,) in skin tight breeks, and says it is one of his "three residences" he needs a dose of reality! Why cant he have a house like everyone else instead of a" residence" ? Also why three cars to deal with "emergencies and rough terrain" cuasing the ice caps to melt !

the whole thing is, indeed, hilarious, though rather sad also that someone is so determined to give himself such airs and graces.

It is worrying, however, to think he sneaks out at night clad in his skimpty purple cape to hunt vampires around Bournmouth and in "rough terrain" and of even more concern the funny goings on surrounding this secret " retreat house" where goodness know what dickipoggy goes on , if you got buried or married, or given any invalid sacrament by a false priest you could end up going to the burning fiery furnace!

 

[Myth Buster]

No deception - only transparency

That is not what you posted, you linked to an interview with Mr Farrant in which he freely answers questions and definitely doesn't claim vampires exist. What is the source of your new post and why do you find it necessary to be deceptive if you have so much evidence for your assertions?

So why does he call himself a "vampire hunter" and title his booklet in collaboration with Rob Milne (but self-published by Farrant) "Return of the Vampire Hunter"?

My souces are the television programmes and newspapers quoted. I have given dates and names. If Farrant feels there is an inaccuracy, I would like to hear it. The 15 October 1970 programme where Farrant reconstructs his vampire hunt of 17 August 1970 has been reshown in its entirety by BBC television more than once in recent years and will have been viewed by others not born at the time.

I do not feel I am being deceptive; especially as I have posted some evidence. Unfortunately, more detailed evidence of the same sort on the Farrant thread has been removed by Darat who is reviewing it before deciding whether to ban me or not. All it did was address falsehoods made by Farrant about Manchester, the British Occult Society and the Highgate investigation. The false allegations still stand. The rebuttals have been removed (for the moment, at least), as well I might be if Darat decides to ban me.

 

[greenwych]

will no one rid us of this turbulent priest?

 

[Ducky]

So why does he call himself a "vampire hunter" and title his booklet in collaboration with Rob Milne (but self-published by Farrant) "Return of the Vampire Hunter"?

My souces are the television programmes and newspapers quoted. I have given dates and names. If Farrant feels there is an inaccuracy, I would like to hear it. The 15 October 1970 programme where Farrant reconstructs his vampire hunt of 17 August 1970 has been reshown in its entirety by BBC television more than once in recent years and will have been viewed by others not born at the time.

I do not feel I am being deceptive; especially as I have posted some evidence. Unfortunately, more detailed evidence of the same sort on the Farrant thread has been removed by Darat who is reviewing it before deciding whether to ban me or not. All it did was address falsehoods made by Farrant about Manchester, the British Occult Society and the Highgate investigation. The false allegations still stand. The rebuttals have been removed (for the moment, at least), as well I might be if Darat decides to ban me.

Perhaps you could just post the content of the programs? The martyr stance doesn't garner any sympathy. From your posting habits you have flamed and insulted many here, and even threatened indirectly that we will be subject to some UK anti-hate law. How about you try again, and just post the facts and evidence as you have it handy.

 

[Myth Buster]

Thanks for the non-answer Myth... As fowlsound I was Interested in some actual rebuttals, that is state what's incorrect and why it's incorrect not just 'It's wrong 'cuz I zed so' type response... But at least you agree that M's a loon?

When I did this two days ago, I received a clutch of warnings by PM from Darat and was threatened with a ban. My rebuttals were all deleted.

 

[Ducky]

When I did this two days ago, I received a clutch of warnings by PM from Darat and threatened with a ban. My rebuttals were all deleted.

Perhaps if you had stuck to facts not threatened people with legal action, or insulted people outright, Darat wouldn't have had to act the way he did. now as per my previous post:

Would you post (sticking to the facts and leaving your personal commentary aside) that which rebuts what you feel is a false accusation?


ETA: Why are you conitnuing anyway, since you posted this:

No apology. And, furthermore, I have been asked by Sean Manchester's people to stay off this topic as a complaint is already under consideration within the terms of the Religious Hatred Act 2006, section 1, 29C 1 (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/60001--b.htm).

It would, therefore, be inappropriate to further broach this matter.

 

[Clu]

Hear hear

 

[Myth Buster]

Manchester is mostly based at Glastonbury, incidentally

Why cant he have a house like everyone else instead of a" residence" ?

And why can't you have a life like everyone else instead of spending countless hours every day posting drivel about Sean Manchester on umpteen message boards?

 

[Ducky]

And why can't you have a life like everyone else instead of spending countless hours every day posting drivel about Sean Manchester on umpteen message boards?

Even more poignant, since you claim to have no connection to manchester is why can't you have a life like everyone else instead of spending countless hours every day posting drivel about David Ferrant and his friends on umpteen message boards?


ETA: I predict since this is a direct insult seeming to continue the feud, Myth Buster will now have his wish to be martyred by banning.

 

[Clu]

And why can't you have a life like everyone else instead of spending countless hours every day posting drivel about Sean Manchester on umpteen message boards?

Myth myth myth.... Your crusade against injustice is greatly appreciated, however you are yet to adress the factual errors...

 

[Myth Buster]

Perhaps you could just post the content of the programs? The martyr stance doesn't garner any sympathy. From your posting habits you have flamed and insulted many here, and even threatened indirectly that we will be subject to some UK anti-hate law. How about you try again, and just post the facts and evidence as you have it handy.

I thought it was just me who was being flamed and insulted. Or are you trying to say I haven't? So what? That's the nature of these disputes that have no resolution because of the entrenched views and opinions held by just about everyone posting.

I understand that the complaints are made against people who were not JREF members until after they had been made and have no relevance to this forum.

I have already posted the contents of the programmes.

 

[Ducky]

I thought it was just me who was being flamed and insulted. Or are you trying to say I haven't? So what? That's the nature of these disputes that have no resolution because of the entrenched views and opinions held by just about everyone posting.

Was it not you who posted:

And why can't you have a life like everyone else instead of spending countless hours every day posting drivel about Sean Manchester on umpteen message boards?

I understand that the complaints are made against people who were not JREF members until after they had been made and have no relevance to this forum.

Complaints about civility are made whether the person is a longstanding member here or not.

I have already posted the contents of the programmes.

But you failed to show why they were in direct opposition with any allegations made. In fact it was pointed out to you that the first link you provided shows Ferrant not claiming vampires exist. However, that is focused on Ferrant. What allegations against manchester do you find false and what evidence do you have to show they are?

 

[Cuddles]

Most of what I am finding on this thread is nothing more than opinion, conjecture and fabrication. That is what attracted me to contribute some hard facts and explode a few myths.

Feel free to lets us know when you feel like sharing some of those "hard facts".

 

[Myth Buster]

Even more poignant, since you claim to have no connection to manchester is why can't you have a life like everyone else instead of spending countless hours every day posting drivel about David Ferrant and his friends on umpteen message boards?

ETA: I predict since this is a direct insult seeming to continue the feud, Myth Buster will now have his wish to be martyred by banning.

Why won't Greenwych be banned for her direct insult to which I was only replying. If you feel that I, or indeed Sean Manchester, spend countless hours every day posting drivel about Farrant and his helpers on umpteen message boards, please provide the evidence.

Now go to Barbara Greenwych's message boards and her two friends' message boards and look at the frequency of anti-Manchester rhetoric. Then put a search in using their names and key words like "Sean Manchester" to discover how much time they all spend posting hate.

You will find they are posting day and night, month after month, year in year out. They are compulsive and harassing in the extreme. Sometimes they are threatening. Much of the illegal content, especially copyright theft, has been removed, I am advised, but why should anyone have to put up with such behaviour?