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Scott Walker Recall Splintering?

BenBurch said:
I'm a bit surprised, but current polling literally shows a dead heat in WI. I have no doubt Walker will squeak in, but it is surprisingly close.
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When civilians found out the salaries and gold-plated perks involved, why would you be surprised?

Unions are so 1930's, and as FDR mentioned, strikes by public servants are unthinkable. So is union support for democrats who then negotiate sweet deals with and for those unions.
 
AlBell said:
When civilians found out the salaries and gold-plated perks involved, why would you be surprised?

Unions are so 1930's, and as FDR mentioned, strikes by public servants are unthinkable. So is union support for democrats who then negotiate sweet deals with and for those unions.
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I'm surprised Walker is an any danger at all given the pull out of major Democratic funding.
 
BenBurch said:
Calculus, according to friends who help make these decisions, is that it would cost so much to win (and it could have been won) that it would hurt the Senate effort.

I agree.

Wisconsin isn't a place where there is much likelihood of congressional seats being won as polarized as it is, so no benefit if the Democrats win.

The benefits if they lose are large and national.

You Republicans would be wise to THROW this one, but you never can resist the tiny victory that will lose you the war. :D
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I've gotta admit, the optimism of some liberals can be downright inspiring.

"Don't you see? Losing IS winning!!!" :yahoo
 
So, to summarize, the Democrats didn't want to spend the money even though it's really close, and the Republicans should just lose anyway?
 
Brainster said:
So, to summarize, the Democrats didn't want to spend the money even though it's really close, and the Republicans should just lose anyway?
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I noticed that too.

It is always a little surprising to me about the partisan nature of a lot of the discourse in the JREF forum. California is drowning in red ink. Public pension plans are a massive boat anchor around anything the state does. So now facing a 16 billion dollar shortfall the state is about to cut everything unless the citizens agree to a big tax increase.

I'm not voting for it. I voted for a $5 billion dollar plan that Schwarzenegger was supposed to use to pay down public debt while reducing spending. Fast forward nine years or so and the politicians kept spending, the state is on the edge of insolvency. The fact is that in California we couldn't head off the train wreck of out of control public employee union cronyism. Good on Wisconsin if they succeed. Too bad for us Californians as companies continue to abandon the state rather than be crushed by the anti-business loonies that run the state.
 
Dumb All Over said:
Your definition of "dead heat" is something that will take me a little time to wrap my brain around. All Wisconsin Polls
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Yeah, one can only hope Walker prevails. The provision to opt-out of paycheck union dues deductions is what scares those who continue to believe reality has a liberal bias (although they sure do).

Walker and in some ways Corzine have demonstrated that at state level changing the unholy alliance between dem politicians and public sector unions is seems at the moment possible.

On the lefty-lib side we have Calif at 16 billion in debt and the US at 16 trillion with untold tens of trillions more in unfunded transfer payment liabilities. Those realities continue to be ignored by our lefties.
 
The whistling past the graveyard continues:

Mr. Walker’s Democratic opponent, Tom Barrett, the mayor of Milwaukee, who holds the hopes of hundreds of thousands of Wisconsin residents who began seeking Mr. Walker’s recall just a year into the governor’s first term, has trailed in some public polls, though Mr. Walker’s lead has generally fallen within each poll’s margin of sampling error.
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Don't you just love that? What about the hopes of hundreds of thousands of Wisconsin residents who support Walker? And by saying Barrett trailed in "some" polls, they mean, trailed in almost all polls, including the last 11.
 
Brainster said:
The whistling past the graveyard continues:



Don't you just love that? What about the hopes of hundreds of thousands of Wisconsin residents who support Walker? And by saying Barrett trailed in "some" polls, they mean, trailed in almost all polls, including the last 11.
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I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I am getting a laugh out of the new "Hey, Wisconsin really isn't important, man" media spin we're hearing now that it looks likely Walker is going to win.

I can remember not so very long ago when the recall was supposedly the only political issue that mattered. I even heard it described by a left-wing American here in Japan as "the defining issue of our generation."
 
BenBurch said:
I'm surprised Walker is an any danger at all given the pull out of major Democratic funding.
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Did you consider that the national Democratic funding was pulled so that they'd have an excuse when they lose? Or maybe they just didn't want to waste money on a losing cause? Or maybe the unholy alliance between the Democratic Party and the unions is something that the national Democratic Party doesn't want to be identified too closely with?
 
davefoc said:
Did you consider that the national Democratic funding was pulled so that they'd have an excuse when they lose? Or maybe they just didn't want to waste money on a losing cause? Or maybe the unholy alliance between the Democratic Party and the unions is something that the national Democratic Party doesn't want to be identified too closely with?
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Wasn't worth the money needed to win it. Instead, make the other side spend it's treasure.
 
davefoc said:
How much money was required to win it?
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Considering how many people were claiming that it was going to be a slam dunk to get Walker voted out I'd guess not that much... Unless of course they were lying to us. :rolleyes:
 
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