Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

[steenkh]

You are telling me I can't feel what I feel. BUT I CAN STILL FEEL IT.

Nobody is saying that you can't feel what you feel. We are telling you that what feel is not generated in your head. It is your interpretation of what you feel that is at odds with reality, not the feelings themselves.

 

[Scorpion]

For the umpteenth time it's not your experience that we question, it's your interpretation of your experience.

I remain fairly certain that some of the messages I got from mediums were genuine, and that some of my feelings are psychic sensitivity to other worldly energies. We are talking about a lifetime of such experiences and although I do not have much to hold on to for that amount of time, the things I am sure about remain convincing to me.

 

[Scorpion]

Tried it lots of times. No unusual heat. But then, I do not expect heat, except from the 37°C that my hands usually have.


But you probably did know that you seeing a healer, right? So you did expect something.


And surely something you would not feel if you had not known that you were in a church.

There is nothing wrong with all these feeling of warmth that you definitely felt. What is wrong is to refuse to accept the possibility that it is generated in your brain and not from outside.

Or maybe I am negatively psychic and can feel strange forces with my nervous system. I used to feel a sort of disturbing cold in the streets of London, even on hot days. But when I went into an OLD church I felt an uplifting feeling of being surrounded by protecting warmth.

Occultists say that prayer permeates the walls of old churches with psychic energy, and I say I could feel it. I did not feel the same energy in modern church buildings. I used to go to old churches in my lunch hours in London to get relief from the nervous strain I felt in the streets. London is a hard place for psychics where there is so much material competition, and rush, and there is the dark energy left over from the war.

 

[Lrrr]

You are telling me I can't feel what I feel. BUT I CAN STILL FEEL IT.

You may be able to feel it, but have you considered this? People who have had limbs amputated sometimes still feel like they are there. As the limbs are obviously gone, it is the brain "telling" them it is still there. It is possible that you are experiencing something similar, is it not?

 

[Scorpion]

You may be able to feel it, but have you considered this? People who have had limbs amputated sometimes still feel like they are there. As the limbs are obviously gone, it is the brain "telling" them it is still there. It is possible that you are experiencing something similar, is it not?

Anything is possible, and I don't know what the truth really is. But I am pretty sure I can feel some kind of real energy.

 

[Crossbow]

Anything is possible, and I don't know what the truth really is. But I am pretty sure I can feel some kind of real energy.

I expect that the reason why it is so difficult for you to determine the truth of the situation is because you are so very delusional about the facts of the situation.

 

[Myriad]

It simply is not my imagination. I can definitely feel some kind of energy field when I move my hands around over my stomach, several inches above it.
It happens every time. Try it yourself, and see if you feel anything.

When you hold a crystal in one hand and aim it at your other palm a centimeter away, most people feel some kind of energy field from the crystal in their palm.

If you close your eyes, you can still feel it.

If it's someone else holding the crystal close to your palm, instead of holding it yourself, you can still feel it.

But if you close your eyes AND it's someone else holding the crystal close to your palm, so that you can't tell when it's near your palm and when it isn't, you can't feel it. No one can.

(This is easily tested. You just need the help of someone who won't deliberately or accidentally give you hints. An example of an accidental hint is saying "can you feel it?" whenever they're not holding the crystal near your hand and saying "now can you feel it?" when they are.)

How do we explain this phenomenon? It might be that the crystal gets annoyed and turns off its energy field when it's tested that way, not being self-held or seen. (But not when it's tested in the previous three ways described: self-held and seen, or just self-held, or just seen.) It might be that people are lying about feeling the crystal energy in the first place (though when you feel it yourself, who's lying to whom?) Or, more plausibly, what people feel in their hands is affected by their expectations and imaginations.

It's not electrical energy or astral energy or etheric energy, it's narrative energy. Just as a story can make you feel sad for a character who doesn't exist (the sad feeling exists, but the orphan in the story whose beloved pet dog just died does not), a story can make you feel energy in your hand that doesn't exist. The feeling exists, but the energy field supposedly produced by the crystal does not.

Similarly, your feeling of energy when your hands are near your stomach is not good evidence that an energy field produced by spirits in your stomach exist, other than in a fictional narrative you're telling yourself. The feeling is a real feeling, it's just not likely to be caused by actual energy produced by actual spirits.

 

[abaddon]

You are telling me I can't feel what I feel. BUT I CAN STILL FEEL IT.

Of course you can. Anyone can. I have. It's an illusion.

 

[abaddon]

Scroll back to this post.

It simply is not my imagination. I can definitely feel some kind of energy field when I move my hands around over my stomach, several inches above it.
It happens every time. Try it yourself, and see if you feel anything.

What happens the feeling if you accidentally touch your stomach?

What happens the feeling if you intentionally touch your stomach?

 

[Nay_Sayer]

Confirmation bias is an intoxicating drug, More so than the real stuff at times.

 

[8enotto]

On colder mornings my hands and wrists hurt. If I have nothing to carry I will put one over my stomach as it is a warm spot. Digestive processes make heat or whatever, I don't know.

Warmer hands hurt less and it helps a bit. No magic as I know of.

I know that hands, feet and head tend to be areas we lose body heat more so I might wonder if this feeling has a biological base and a mystic explanation.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

On colder mornings my hands and wrists hurt. If I have nothing to carry I will put one over my stomach as it is a warm spot. Digestive processes make heat or whatever, I don't know.

Warmer hands hurt less and it helps a bit. No magic as I know of.

I know that hands, feet and head tend to be areas we lose body heat more so I might wonder if this feeling has a biological base and a mystic explanation.

Put a couple of inches in between and it's pretty much psychological.

 

[LongFuzzy]

No, I hear voices of several kinds. I very occasionally hear a voice in my head, which can be a male or a female,

YOUR EXPERIENCE - hearing a voice

and which I assume is spirits telling me something they want me to know. They speak without sound as a kind of telepathy.

YOUR INTERPRETATION - spirits

I also hear voices whispering in my ears and I don't know what they are.

YOUR EXPERIENCE - hearing whispering

I subscribe to the possibility they are unintelligent astral entities, and that's why I have been trying to get rid of them with electricity. but they may well be my subconscious mind talking to me.

YOUR INTERPRETATION - astral entities

We don't doubt your experience, we doubt your interpretation. Get it?

Whatever they are they make little sense and I ignore them. I have been ignoring them for fifty years, and no drug I have been on stops them,

Perhaps you need to see different doctor, or try different medicine, dose levels, to get the relief you seek.

 

[Axxman300]

As a guy who's hunted ghosts for over thirty years I need to point out that none of the things that Scorpion talks about jives with anything I've seen and dealt with.

And this should be a clue that this is all in someone's head, or a mis-perception of abstract incidents, and not an objectively-based interpretation of phenomenon.

And yes, this applies to me as well.

 

[steenkh]

When you hold a crystal in one hand and aim it at your other palm a centimeter away, most people feel some kind of energy field from the crystal in their palm.

If you close your eyes, you can still feel it.

If it's someone else holding the crystal close to your palm, instead of holding it yourself, you can still feel it.

But if you close your eyes AND it's someone else holding the crystal close to your palm, so that you can't tell when it's near your palm and when it isn't, you can't feel it. No one can.

(This is easily tested. You just need the help of someone who won't deliberately or accidentally give you hints. An example of an accidental hint is saying "can you feel it?" whenever they're not holding the crystal near your hand and saying "now can you feel it?" when they are.)

How do we explain this phenomenon? It might be that the crystal gets annoyed and turns off its energy field when it's tested that way, not being self-held or seen. (But not when it's tested in the previous three ways described: self-held and seen, or just self-held, or just seen.) It might be that people are lying about feeling the crystal energy in the first place (though when you feel it yourself, who's lying to whom?) Or, more plausibly, what people feel in their hands is affected by their expectations and imaginations.

It's not electrical energy or astral energy or etheric energy, it's narrative energy. Just as a story can make you feel sad for a character who doesn't exist (the sad feeling exists, but the orphan in the story whose beloved pet dog just died does not), a story can make you feel energy in your hand that doesn't exist. The feeling exists, but the energy field supposedly produced by the crystal does not.

Similarly, your feeling of energy when your hands are near your stomach is not good evidence that an energy field produced by spirits in your stomach exist, other than in a fictional narrative you're telling yourself. The feeling is a real feeling, it's just not likely to be caused by actual energy produced by actual spirits.

Very good test and explanation. I'll remember to propose it to a crystal energy believer that I know.

 

[dann]

It is very similar to the test devised by Emily Rosa to find out if Therapeutic Touch was a therapy or a delusion: Hvorfor Therapeutic Touch bør betragtes som kvaksalveri & Data fra undersøgelse af Therapeutic Touch (Skeptica).

 

[P.J. Denyer]

It is very similar to the test devised by Emily Rosa to find out if Therapeutic Touch was a therapy or a delusion: Hvorfor Therapeutic Touch bør betragtes som kvaksalveri & Data fra undersøgelse af Therapeutic Touch (Skeptica).

Yeah, I referenced her and her study back in Post 2117.

Nine years old and she could see through charlatans and self delusion.

 

[Scorpion]

Well, I won't be electrocuting myself any time soon. The wimshurst machine arrived today , and it has a crack through one of the disks. I can't get a spark out of it.

 

[kali1137]

You didn't carry the package near your stomach did you?? I would hate to think one of those whimsical entities sabotaged it.

 

[Scorpion]

You didn't carry the package near your stomach did you?? I would hate to think one of those whimsical entities sabotaged it.

I think it came from China by ship. So I am surprised it has not got more damage. Its a shame as I have found out how to charge myself up from various web sites. like the following.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_bath_(electrotherapy)